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I can imagine on the final episode RTD revealing "Don't you see? Her name is Susan Twist! She was the twist all along! Innit brilliant?".

I'm just glad that I wasn't the only one lost but I'd rather it be something that was just over my head. I still hope it was but don't think it's likely.

The setup was lovely though just seemed unable (or just damned unwilling) to nail the landing.

All the answers are in the opening titles.
Care to elaborate for us slow folk?
 
I notice the Doctor uttered the name of the reported (I think confirmed but not totally sure) name of the spinoff series, The Battle Between the Land and the Sea. Wondering if that' just a random shout out or indicating the events of this episode will play a role in that series?
 
Like 90% of Doctor Lite stories this wasn't very good. Its no Love & Monsters, but it was very boring and honestly Ruby Sunday is not a strong enough character to lead a whole episode on her own (at least in my opinion). I honestly think this is a bit worse then the space babies, because it was more boring and didn't even have The Doctor to enhance any of the scenes.

4/10
 
Yeah, this is half of a story. Literally, I hope. Nothing is explained. It's a shame, because it was a nicely weird and suspenseful story for a while there. Parts of it also reminded me of something I've seen or read before, but I can't place it.

Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban.
 
Quick thought — did hospital bed ruby get weeping Angeled? Or were they just nicking bits from them?
(Edit to add: and it’s probably RTD trying to sum up the whole arc he has in one episode — the hill being the edge of the universe etc, so be prepared for Ruby to be her own mum, and possibly everything from Blue Yonder on to be time-looped and retconned out later on, in an attempt at Moffaty aha storytelling.)
 
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Well, that was terrifying. Any idea what old Ruby said to those people? Also, who was the girl who was with old Ruby at the end? And what is relationship with Ruby?
 
After sleeping and processing the episode and watching Jessi Gender’s review, my opinion on the episode has improved massively.
Especially Jessi’s perspective has me decided to not even want answers to the mystery but see it as an allegory for the fear of reaction and being seen as a monster by others (including and particularly one we love) for who we really are.

It doesn’t matter what the woman said, it’s the fact that she is Ruby and represents who she really is, is terrifying even her own mother and makes an actual human monster run away in fear.
It’s Ruby’s deepest fear manifested in a terrible way.
But in the end she accepts it, lives with it as part of her identity and uses it to empower her to the point that she saves the world.


The only thing I don’t really like is that she remembers nothing of it, when the time loop closes.


Well, that was terrifying. Any idea what old Ruby said to those people? Also, who was the girl who was with old Ruby at the end? And what is relationship with Ruby?
I figured Ruby had adopted her as a daughter at some point.
She reminded me a lot of Ruby’s mom.
 
I didn't get it - so there is a nuclear war in Ruby's timeline because of the changes or alternatively the Doctor telling Ruby about the future triggers her reality warping powers and the story is very simple - it is just her reshaping the future.

Also Kate has a blink and miss it line about Ruby's timeline that is likely important later.
 
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Is this the first DW episode story (classic or revival) to dispense with the traditional opening credits?
 
I didn't get it - so there is a nuclear war in Ruby's timeline because of the changes or alternatively the Doctor telling Ruby about the future triggers her reality warping powers and the story is very simple - it is just her reshaping the future.

Also Kate has a blink and miss it line about Ruby's timeline that is likely important later.

It’s a paradox. Because there’s already Paradoxes at play. It will be a surprise if the ever explain why Tardis let’s Ruby in, she usually doesn’t like Paradoxes.
 
I didn't get it - so there is a nuclear war in Ruby's timeline because of the changes or alternatively the Doctor telling Ruby about the future triggers her reality warping powers and the story is very simple - it is just her reshaping the future.

Also Kate has a blink and miss it line about Ruby's timeline that is likely important later.

I thought that they made out that the atomic war of 2046 was narrowly averted, and this whole episode was just about widening that safety margin.
 
All in all this episode was creepy AF.

I kinda hope certain elements get revisited, but saying that, one of RTD's shortfalls (IMHO) is never feeling the need to explain things (I just find when you 'leave things up to audience interpretation' can be lazy writing).

Loved the Kate cameo and love the fact we can use UNIT for smaller bits end pieces here instead of having to centre entire episodes around them
 
It’s a paradox. Because there’s already Paradoxes at play. It will be a surprise if the ever explain why Tardis let’s Ruby in, she usually doesn’t like Paradoxes.

It's not a paradox because we see the start and end and the changed timeline where the Doctor does not step on the thing on the ground because information is introduced.
 
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It's not a paradox because we see the start and end and the changed timeline where the Doctor does not step on the thing on the ground because information is introduced.

Putting aside the strong hints that ruby herself is likely a paradox —

Ruby is told of events further down the timeline. Ruby subverts those events, meaning she can never be told of them in order to prevent them. When Ruby subverts those events, she is inexplicably given the Weeping Angel treatment, in order to come back and prevent the causal event (the Doctor breaking the Faerie Ring — which that is a very unusual example of, since it’s usually not man made) which means the events that were subverted now must play out. Except, the causal event for Ruby’s loop is also the causal event — mad Jack being released — for those events to play out. In order for events to play out, in order for future Ruby to subvert them, the causal event must not be allowed to occur in the first place. Except that it has, in order for Ruby to know to subvert it. All of which is tied to the existence of older, time-displaced Ruby, who comes from a timeline she herself aborts, which in turn means the timeline that she subverted comes back into existence — which means she doesn’t exist. Which means she can’t stop it existing, or being subverted.
It’s a real cats cradle job, because it isn’t a bootstrap paradox, because there are three causal events interacting, and a fourth that we know less about — where the Doctor went. (Back into the Tardis to bust it up into a Paradox engine?)

And going back to those hints, there’s another big old ‘Ruby is her own mum’ hint here, which of course is very much a Time Travel Story legend. Douglas Adams has a take on that of course, and Red Dwarf did it if not first, then prior.
Which makes her an embodied bootstrap paradox, also at the nexus of this nexus of paradoxes.

There is no start and end of the changed timeline, because the closing of the loop requires that it be opened in the first place, which then closes it etc. It’s not like Blink, or Pandorica, or The One With Jesus Doctor And Captain Scarlet — there’s no rewritten timeline, because of the multiple and interlinked causal events across at least two timelines. Even if the fuzzy look on Old Ruby is BTTF style effect of her timeline being overwritten, her timeline still has to exist — otherwise events *before* what we see as the instigation of events can actually occur. I.e Mad Jack being released.
Old Ruby subverting the loop by preventing the nukes isn’t what changes the timeline, it’s her preventing the circle being broken. Except that still has to happen, because otherwise The Doctor can’t give it with ‘Spoilers!’

See?
Overlapping paradoxes, cancelling out their own resolutions.
 
The first Chibnall-era story, The Woman Who Fell to Earth didn't have an opening per se. This is the second one.

All because the Doctor was zapped before they could roll, plus it saved a few minutes for the silly ‘ooh ghosties’ scene that went nowhere and did nothing.
I think Day of The Doctor only had minimal opening didn’t it?
 
Speaking of Chibnall, this story reminds me what I actually thought what we might've gotten out of Chibnall, back when his series was about to start. Sort of a show with more urban and folk mystery behind it, a lot of psychological horror but with a modern twist. Obviously we didn't get that, but I will say this episode is refreshing in that it instills a genuine sense of dread and sorrow for what Ruby's going through.

It's decidedly arty, isn't it? Of course there's a lot of questions, many mentioned by everyone, but the chief one is, WHERE IS THE DOCTOR? But you know, once you accept the inevitability of the horror wherein (that Ruby's destined to be alone when anyone near her talks to that person 73 yards away), it becomes a study of endurance and a test for Ruby, and Millie Gibson admirably carries herself in the part, and indeed carries the show throughout the runtime admirably.

Basically, I loved it, and enjoyed every moment, but I won't deny any of criticism stacked against it. I can understand not liking it, but I genuinely enjoyed the atmosphere and mood, so may kudos to the director as well, brilliant work. The emotional pay-off is kinda missing, perhaps a result of the decidedly distant storytelling that posits Ruby afar from the reaction she seeks. Maybe its intentional, but it is apparent.

Still. I'd say this is a good episode, a winner in a row. 8.5/10
 
All because the Doctor was zapped before they could roll, plus it saved a few minutes for the silly ‘ooh ghosties’ scene that went nowhere and did nothing.
What are you referring to?
I think Day of The Doctor only had minimal opening didn’t it?
Well, it had the original 1963 opening, so that counts.
 
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