6x07 A Good Man Goes To War (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS!
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Iys going to be weird for them having a daughter thats older than them. They'll be more protective of her now. Before it was River looking after them.
It's going to be weird for them having a daughter thats older than them. They'll be more protective of her now. Before it was River looking after them.
Knowing what know now I'm very impressed how normal River ended up being. Between The Doctor, Amy and Rory, she turned out alright. I know kids with far more normal lives that turned out to be really warped.
Iys going to be weird for them having a daughter thats older than them. They'll be more protective of her now. Before it was River looking after them.
This concept keeps reminding me of Cable (Nathan Summers) from the X-Men universe.
Born in one era, taken to the future, returns much older than the parent(s).
So, anyone taking bets on a young Melody Pond being the next companion?
I didn't think about that and to be sure, it would be very interesting. Let me add to that and suggest that young Melody Pond joins The Doctor and her parents on their adventures.
Awesome! *right click and save*Based on some comments in this thread, I made a faux-Victorian Periodical cover:
Not so much that, but I did expect her to regenerate. I think that was mostly because I somehow got into my head that Lorna was the little girl in the spacesuit (hence my question in regards to her in my review post).
I get what you're saying (as oppose to the confusion in the subsequent replies): You're assuming (as I have been) that Melody Pond will be raised for an extensive period of time by her captors, and based on this assumption, how does she become River Song if the prayer leaf isn't with her.
However, that begs the question "what about what we saw in the orphanage room in "Day of the Moon?""
I can't think of a decent man who would sleep with someone he met as a grown man when she was a baby.
Not saying that the reveal wasn't obvious, but I'm so disappointed. She's a Time Lady, woohoo! Oh, yeah, but she gets her brain fried while still in that regeneration, yippee.
Good up until the inane ending. I can't believe that RTD gets criticized for going all in on his finales, but nobody bats an eye when SM does it.
I will eat my words on the hating of SM's finales (TPO/TBB was in the words of Charles Barkley "turrble") if he can satisfactorily resolve the Silence will fall of Series 5 along with this series. I'll still be very disappointed in the whole River dreck, but if he can make the whole thing make sense then I'll be happy.
Not saying that the reveal wasn't obvious, but I'm so disappointed. She's a Time Lady, woohoo! Oh, yeah, but she gets her brain fried while still in that regeneration, yippee.
Good up until the inane ending. I can't believe that RTD gets criticized for going all in on his finales, but nobody bats an eye when SM does it.
I will eat my words on the hating of SM's finales (TPO/TBB was in the words of Charles Barkley "turrble") if he can satisfactorily resolve the Silence will fall of Series 5 along with this series. I'll still be very disappointed in the whole River dreck, but if he can make the whole thing make sense then I'll be happy.
Yep, these aren't quite the changes I was hoping for in Rory after being a plastic Centurian for 2000 years, but they've definitely had it affect his personality. I was really worried he'd be the same bumbling comic relief he was last year.
Thanks EMH, glad someone understood what I was saying, and yeah I wondered about the orphanage as well, although guessing the pictures of Amy with Melody could have been taken before she was abducted again (I can't recall whether she was a baby or a small child in them though?)
It does happen though (take Celine Dion and her husband) but you're forgetting that the Doctor first met River as an adult, you're also assuming they're sleeping with each other, which unless you have information the rest of us aren't privy to, we have no confirmation of, and like I said earlier, I think the reason River was dreading this day was because from this point on the Doctor won't think of himself as her future husband/lover, but as her Godfather. Suddenly a whole heap of things make more sense, especially the 'last' kiss.
As for the end of AGMGTW, I wouldn't call it all in, and personally I liked it a lot better than most RTD 'Let's push some buttons turn on the giant vacuum cleaner' or even Moffat's 'think the universe back into place," endings.
I went and checked after watching this episode, it was an Amy with a baby photo, the Amy in the photo even look like she was in the white hospital getup in this episode. So presumably it was taken during the month The Doctor was gathering his army. That raises the question, why would Amy allow that photo to be taken? Though it could easily be taken by a hidden camera.
My thought was more along the lines of, why does River end up using the name given to her by some random forest dwellers for the rest of her life, rather than the one given to her by her parents? Just so that the viewers won't know who she is?
I maintain that this is deliberate. That we're being shown how the Doctor gets meaner and less forgiving, and now we're seeing the consequences of that. It is out of character, but it's a deliberate out-of-character-ness (on the part of the writers) that will have consequences upon the character. At least I hope that's what happening.
It reminds me of season 4. I had the feeling all through the season that Donna was being sidelined and overshadowed as a companion. All season we were being teased with the return of Rose, then Martha was back for three episodes, then there was a future companion (River) while Donna was separated. It wasn't till the last three eps of the season that I realised that was part of the point. That's how Donna sees herself - nothing special, not the one that counts, a temp. It was showing us her character instead of telling us. And it ended up being the key to her character - the woman who thinks she's worthless ends up being the saviour of the multiverse.
I like to think the same is happening here. People have been claiming the Doctor wasn't acting like the Doctor since the beginning of this season and further back - now we see the point of that.
I won't go so far as to say that Moffat is "undoing the damage" Davies did to the character because I don't necessarily see it as damage, merely as valid character development that will have its consequences.
Not if those people are the ones he's stopped. Nobody thinks they're evil - everyone thinks they have valid and justifiable reasons for doing what they do. So when this one particular guy keeps popping in and ruins all their plans, of course they're eventually going to get pissed off with him and try to get rid of him once and for all. Makes sense to me.
Think of the description of the Monster of the Pandorica. The legend said that this most terrible trickster would just suddenly come to your world one day without warning and destroy everything. That's how these people see the Doctor. Of course they'd want to stop him.
Although also bear in mind that Kovarian is the only real bad guy in the Demon's Run group. The Anglican Marines specifically say they are being paid to fight the Doctor - they're hired goons, nothing more. Sure they have their stories and legends about him, but on their own behalf they probably wouldn't do much about it. Likewise the Headless Monks were hired purely to be the badass last line of defense if the Marines went down. I doubt they have any personal stake in this.
Bear in mind that the Pandorica incident could very well have taken place later in the Alliance's personal subjective timeline than the Demon's Run incident. Like it or not, one can never discount timey-wimey flooberances when it comes to Moffat plotting. Effect comes before cause on a regular basis these days.
Have you actually read the thread? There's been enough eye-batting to blow out the candles on a 900-year birthday cake.
Well that's why I thought it important the leaf went with Melody, if she's brought up in the 60s, and if nobody actually tells her her own name, then why wouldn't she just go with what's on the prayer leaf? I mean she doesn't even know which way round the name goes, it should be Song River lierarally.
See I hated that, Donna was special, she didn't need the stupid metacrisis to make her special, I thought it cheapened the character in the end. Donna wasn't special in her own right, she was special because of the Doctor's hand and failed regeneration.
That doesn't work because most of the periods that River hints at that when they are at their closest are still in *his* future.
Since she goes by her Gamma Forest name, I'm presently assuming that she'll be raised on the Gamma Forest planet.
I think that would be one secret that River would never, ever spoil.Ooh, maybe she'll be raised by a nice family at Boeshane and she can be Jack's first crush.
