Here is something I hadn't thought of, what if the room she went into was the proto-TARDIS its self.
6x06 The Almost People (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)
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Here is something I hadn't thought of, what if the room she went into was the proto-TARDIS its self.
Would be quite a leap IMHO, we have seen no evidence the inside can be changed to look like whatever, although who knows? Perhaps the perception filter can be projected to the interior if required?
I mean a leap based on what we have seen (or in this case not seen), in the show itself about proto tardis technology. Not that within the premise of the show such things can't happen!
And how many times has the TARDIS interior changed its self?
Going to be really frank here... I didn't like it... what the hell has happened to the show 
Some of the terrors in this one, had Who written all over them, but the very end... no no no no no no no no no no... I know they wanted to the new series to have the kids reaching to hide behind the sofa, but the end of that was just utterly wrong.
Sorry BBC but it felt like you were running very close to crossing a line for a cheap scare.
Some of the terrors in this one, had Who written all over them, but the very end... no no no no no no no no no no... I know they wanted to the new series to have the kids reaching to hide behind the sofa, but the end of that was just utterly wrong.
Sorry BBC but it felt like you were running very close to crossing a line for a cheap scare.
Or they kept Amy and send out Ganger Amy back to Canton.
So that raises a question, did The Silents have the ganger technology on hand or did they take Amy to a ganger plant to make the copy?
So I've finally saw the episode. Blargh, what a wait! But on the plus side, I don't have to wait long for "A Good Man Goes to War"...
A mostly satisfying conclusion to the two-parter but I can't help feel like there were missing scenes in the episode. Nothing specific but I felt like there were gaps or certain leaps to...something that just missed up the flow. I can't put my finger on it but hopefully someone knows what I'm getting at. Also, the director and/or writer lost track of where the sonic screwdriver was because two existed without explanation.
As any good clone story, the episode brings up interesting moral questions but I felt like it didn't really follow through on this. Additionally, I have to say I was greatly disappointed when The Doctor killed the ganger-Amy, especially considering moments before he was getting all high and mighty with Amy about the lack of differences between himself and his ganger.
In regards to Amy's ganger, I can't say I was terribly surprised by it, largely because of Longmagpie's logical speculation last week. Even without it, I probably would've figured it out myself. After all, in my review last week, I commented how I expected everyone to be gangers after the solar storm struck, so this wasn't all that surprising.
All the negativity aside, I have to comment on what I did love about the episode, which was mostly Matt Smith. How anyone can say he's not a good actor or The Doctor utterly baffles me. His interaction with himself was pure gold. And was it just me, or did he sound a LOT like Tom Baker when he said "Want a Jelly Baby?" It was downright eerie! (But let me guess, it really was him, wasn't it?)
Major props to Rory as well, but I think his moment of shining is coming up. A chill ran up my spine when he said "Where is my wife?" in the "A Good Man Goes to War" trailer. Hell, it looks like they've jammed packed a lot into this coming episode. The Big River Song Question, the Cybermen, Amy's pregnancy and her absence, and so much more. I can't wait (and good thing it's not for long!).
All in all, I give this a 7/10, but I think a rewatch of both episodes are in order. I'm already getting the feeling from reading this thread that a lot of people loved this episode more than I did.
A mostly satisfying conclusion to the two-parter but I can't help feel like there were missing scenes in the episode. Nothing specific but I felt like there were gaps or certain leaps to...something that just missed up the flow. I can't put my finger on it but hopefully someone knows what I'm getting at. Also, the director and/or writer lost track of where the sonic screwdriver was because two existed without explanation.
As any good clone story, the episode brings up interesting moral questions but I felt like it didn't really follow through on this. Additionally, I have to say I was greatly disappointed when The Doctor killed the ganger-Amy, especially considering moments before he was getting all high and mighty with Amy about the lack of differences between himself and his ganger.
In regards to Amy's ganger, I can't say I was terribly surprised by it, largely because of Longmagpie's logical speculation last week. Even without it, I probably would've figured it out myself. After all, in my review last week, I commented how I expected everyone to be gangers after the solar storm struck, so this wasn't all that surprising.
All the negativity aside, I have to comment on what I did love about the episode, which was mostly Matt Smith. How anyone can say he's not a good actor or The Doctor utterly baffles me. His interaction with himself was pure gold. And was it just me, or did he sound a LOT like Tom Baker when he said "Want a Jelly Baby?" It was downright eerie! (But let me guess, it really was him, wasn't it?)
Major props to Rory as well, but I think his moment of shining is coming up. A chill ran up my spine when he said "Where is my wife?" in the "A Good Man Goes to War" trailer. Hell, it looks like they've jammed packed a lot into this coming episode. The Big River Song Question, the Cybermen, Amy's pregnancy and her absence, and so much more. I can't wait (and good thing it's not for long!).
All in all, I give this a 7/10, but I think a rewatch of both episodes are in order. I'm already getting the feeling from reading this thread that a lot of people loved this episode more than I did.
Ah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. Could we actually get a left field answer to the River Song Question?
TARDIS desktop interiors aside, Shada (both the incomplete Tom Baker version and the Big Finish audio/flash video) showed Professor Chronotis' TARDIS having an interior looking exactly like a Cambridge study.
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It's been discussed extensively upthread already, but this is how I see it.
The Doctor did not kill Ganger Amy. Ganger Amy was not like the other Gangers we saw in most of the episode - she was not independently sentient. She's like the Gangers we saw right at the beginning, before the solar storm.
Those Gangers, which were previously just relays for the real people in their cradles, only became independently sentient because of the power surge from the solar storm. Not because they were Gangers per se, but because their originals were in the cradles, which were attached to the power system, which surged due to the storm.
Ganger Amy was only like the first version, not the second version. She was only a relay for the real Amy, held by whoever, wherever. Her Ganger never became sentient independent of the real Amy, because the real Amy's cradle was never affected by the power surge from the solar storm (being somewhere altogether else as she was).
Cleaves had a line in part 1 (and I think it was replayed in the previouslies in part 2) along the lines of "Power cuts out, signal is interrupted, gangers revert to liquid. It's automatic."
So the Doctor did not kill a sentient being. All he did was interrupt the signal between real Amy and her non-sentient Ganger, thus causing the Ganger to revert to liquid.
In essence, all the business with Sentient Gangers was a distraction from Amy's story. Shenanigans, as the Doctor put it. All he wanted to know was the bit about interrupting the signal.
It didn't just sound like Tom Baker, it was Tom Baker. Confidential revealed that it was a sample from the Fourth Doctor story The Robots of Death. Apparently David Tennant was in there too, saying the line "Hello, I'm the Doctor," but his voice is much more similar to Matt's than Tom's is, and therefore not as obvious. There was also of course the line about reversing the polarity, which was a Third Doctor catchphrase.
Maybe even after the signal(s) were cut off the discarded flesh retained the imprint of its user. However, I don't believe this was the case with the Amy ganger.
Also Jennifer wasn't beyond using Flesh to deceive Rory. Maybe she just set it up that way to gain his trust and sympathy.
It isn't unlikely but I think that part about the discarded flesh was true because I figure she wasn't angry for the sake of being angry.
Good, I'm glad I'm not the only person who felt that way.
that was my thinking.
Hmm...overall, the episode had some flaws but it had a few interesting scenes as well.
When the Ganger Doctor said "My death is coming", the Real Doctor said "Only this one we won't be invited to." What. The. Frell. Does the Doctor know about his Future Death? I think he does, personally - he's just that awesome.
Rory had some awesome scenes in this episode. Refusing to give up on Jennifer somewhat reflected the way he stuck with Amy for two thousand years. The way he allowed the Doctor to revert Ganger Amy into flesh shows how far he's come in terms of trusting the Doctor.
I totally called the Doctor's switcheroo, and the fact that Jennifer had two gangers.
Oh...I finally get what the Doctor meant about Amy treating Flesh differently - if her Ganger was independently sentient, decommissioning her would be murder, and she would have treated the Flesh differently. But because she believed she was 'real', she didn't trust the Ganger Doctor - who turned out to be the Real Doctor.
I absolutely cannot WAIT for 'A Good Man Goes To War.' I just watched the teaser with...what's his name? The big blue guy..anyways, this is going to be awesome!
"Demons Run...when a good man goes to war." This is going to be awesome! Somewhat reminiscent of the Farscape episode "Liars, Guns, and Money." I can't wait!
When the Ganger Doctor said "My death is coming", the Real Doctor said "Only this one we won't be invited to." What. The. Frell. Does the Doctor know about his Future Death? I think he does, personally - he's just that awesome.
Rory had some awesome scenes in this episode. Refusing to give up on Jennifer somewhat reflected the way he stuck with Amy for two thousand years. The way he allowed the Doctor to revert Ganger Amy into flesh shows how far he's come in terms of trusting the Doctor.
I totally called the Doctor's switcheroo, and the fact that Jennifer had two gangers.
Oh...I finally get what the Doctor meant about Amy treating Flesh differently - if her Ganger was independently sentient, decommissioning her would be murder, and she would have treated the Flesh differently. But because she believed she was 'real', she didn't trust the Ganger Doctor - who turned out to be the Real Doctor.
I absolutely cannot WAIT for 'A Good Man Goes To War.' I just watched the teaser with...what's his name? The big blue guy..anyways, this is going to be awesome!
"Demons Run...when a good man goes to war." This is going to be awesome! Somewhat reminiscent of the Farscape episode "Liars, Guns, and Money." I can't wait!
He figured it out after Amy told him about it in the cave, when she thought he was the ganger, and that the ganger might've been the Doctor she saw get killed. Just before he flipped out and attacked her because of the psychic blast from the flesh.