6.5x08 Let's Kill Hitler (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)

[Worf2DS9]

^ I'm definitely watching the SPACE repeat tonight!

 

[The Wormhole]

Am I misremembering things, or didn't River once say she got her vortex manipulator "off a handsome time agent" she had killed?

Could that be a reference to Captain Jack?

Actually, River bought the vortex manipulator from Dorium Maldovar, who "obtained" it from a handsome Time Agent. There's no indication the Time Agent had been killed, just amputated.

I prefer to think it isn't Jack simply because that would be small universe syndrome.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Am I misremembering things, or didn't River once say she got her vortex manipulator "off a handsome time agent" she had killed?

Could that be a reference to Captain Jack?

Actually, River bought the vortex manipulator from Dorium Maldovar, who "obtained" it from a handsome Time Agent. There's no indication the Time Agent had been killed, just amputated.

I prefer to think it isn't Jack simply because that would be small universe syndrome.

Too late, Jack is a known customer of that space bar already.

 

[Cutter John]

Geronimo!

Absolutely loved it, so glad I avoided anything that even hinted at being a spoiler and so Mels becoming River took me totally by surprise, it shouldn't have, hell when the sports car roared up my first thought was "River" but it caught me off guard, all the best twists are obvious in hindsight.

Glad it wasn't just me. I rolled my eyes when the sports car roared up. *yawn* 'Its River again.' Caught me off guard when Mel stepped out.

And I loved how Moffat even built in an explanation for how some of the older Rivers might actually look younger!

That seems to be a Moffat specialty. Covering potential contradictions in the series with just a quick throwaway line.*

*See also 'temporal grace'. As well as 'desktop theme' and 'why previous Doctors look older' in Timecrash.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Maybe it was Captain John Hart.

 

[The Wormhole]

Am I misremembering things, or didn't River once say she got her vortex manipulator "off a handsome time agent" she had killed?

Could that be a reference to Captain Jack?

Actually, River bought the vortex manipulator from Dorium Maldovar, who "obtained" it from a handsome Time Agent. There's no indication the Time Agent had been killed, just amputated.

I prefer to think it isn't Jack simply because that would be small universe syndrome.

Too late, Jack is a known customer of that space bar already.

He is?

Pretty certain Maldovar's is a different place tha what we saw in The End of Time.

 

[David cgc]

And I loved how Moffat even built in an explanation for how some of the older Rivers might actually look younger!

That seems to be a Moffat specialty. Covering potential contradictions in the series with just a quick throwaway line.

Actually, I took that to explain how Melody could've regenerated into toddler-Mels in 1969 New York but was still only 10 years old or so in 1996. It works for the inevitable subtle discrepancies in River's apparent age, too.

 

[IndyJones]

Did Mr Light get the Mrs Robinson reference in The Impossible Astronaut (pretty sure it was that episode)? It wouldn't surprise me if many would get that but miss Benjamin, I did and had to google it.

Same for me.

I really should watch that movie, eh?

 

[doubleohfive]

Yes. Its an excellent film in its own right, but its also just plain fun.

 

[Starkers]

And I loved how Moffat even built in an explanation for how some of the older Rivers might actually look younger!

That seems to be a Moffat specialty. Covering potential contradictions in the series with just a quick throwaway line.

Actually, I took that to explain how Melody could've regenerated into toddler-Mels in 1969 New York but was still only 10 years old or so in 1996. It works for the inevitable subtle discrepancies in River's apparent age, too.

Yeah I thought that as well, unless there was another regeneration between 1969 and Mels, but that seems unlikely.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

While I could accept another regeneration, there's another explanation as well. She didn't stay in New York since that point, she was picked up and transported to the future.

 

[Starkers]

That's true, hell for all we know Eleven picked her up and dropped her off in Ledworth!

 

[David cgc]

Yeah I thought that as well, unless there was another regeneration between 1969 and Mels, but that seems unlikely.

Can't be. Mels specifically say, "Last time I did this, I ended up a toddler. In New York!"

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Yeah, taking her word for it, it was only her second regeneration when she became River Song.

 

[David cgc]

She didn't seem surprised in New York, though. One wonders if that was because of her training from the Silence, or if the little girl and the baby were actually two different incarnations.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Given that they went out of their way to find someone with at least some resemblance to Karen Gillan, I think the intent was that was the original version of her. I'll go with training from the Silence.

 

[Mr Awe]

That seems to be a Moffat specialty. Covering potential contradictions in the series with just a quick throwaway line.

Actually, I took that to explain how Melody could've regenerated into toddler-Mels in 1969 New York but was still only 10 years old or so in 1996. It works for the inevitable subtle discrepancies in River's apparent age, too.

Yeah I thought that as well, unless there was another regeneration between 1969 and Mels, but that seems unlikely.

I think there was a line in there about that when River said the last time she had regenerated she was a toddler in NYC or something like that. So, toddler -> Mels -> River.

We're not sure why the toddler regenerated.

Mr Awe

 

[Alidar Jarok]

My thought was she got hurt breaking out of the suit. Then again, since it was six months later, perhaps not.

 

[davejames]

I feel like it's fallen under the radar a bit, but I absolutely loved the Doctor's brief confrontation with Hitler in this episode. The defiant and disdainful tone with which he says "It's a police telephone box. From London" was absolutely perfect.

I didn't think I could love Smith's Doctor any more than I already did.

 

[Bacl]

I feel like it's fallen under the radar a bit, but I absolutely loved the Doctor's brief confrontation with Hitler in this episode. The defiant and disdainful tone with which he says "It's a police telephone box. From London" was absolutely perfect.

I didn't think I could love Smith's Doctor any more than I already did.

Any reason the Doctor who tackles injustice and tyrants didn't care to do anything about Hitler? Would have appreciated a line from him about why he won't overthrow or prevent Hitler. Let alone why he freed the Ood but not the blacks.