Umm, no. The Odyssey already got her ass handed to her by the Alliance, kicked the shit out of her to the point the crew had to abandon ship, which the Alliance then stole.
She needs the ZPM and the cloak to stop that happening again.
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Umm, no. The Odyssey already got her ass handed to her by the Alliance, kicked the shit out of her to the point the crew had to abandon ship, which the Alliance then stole.
She needs the ZPM and the cloak to stop that happening again.
That was before she got the Asgard upgrades. Now they have Asgard beam weapons, which can tear through even Ori ships, so the Alliance should pose no problem.
Her shields aren't much stronger, and as we saw in the opening episode of Atlantis season 5, a few shots is all it takes to take the Asgard weapons offline, a few cloaked Alkesh can do a lot of damage to any Daedalus class ship on hit-and-run attacks.
One coordinated attack and the Lucian Alliance with all its intel from the time they stole the damn ship will allow them by sheer numbers to swarm any Earth ship and tear it apart if it was a 'standard' model.
With a ZPM her shields are a Hell of a lot stronger, enough to take 20-30 hits from Ori ships, the Alliance would suddenly be at a disadvantage. Her Asgard beams would be even stronger.
I meant that with hit and run attacks by multiple Lucian Alliance ships the shields can be whittled down to nothing, after that it only takes a couple of hits to take her hyperdrive and weapons offline too.
The Alliance has far more ships that can ambush a single Earth ship and pound the hell out of it easily, which they did do in one episode and took the Odyssey.
Seriously without a ZPM going up against them is suicidal depending on how many ships you're going up against. Earth can't waste ships, the Alliance can.
Given how much damage they keep taking, that its so incredibly easy to take their life support offline and that it only takes three or so shots to disable all major systems when the shields are down, not really.
They've only survived through sheer luck or being handed more magically better technology in a crisis. A task force of Goa'uld ships against a standard Daedalus class? I'd still put my money on the Goa'uld through numbers alone.
A bunch of loosely organised thieves took one, the Daedalus herself can't keep her life support online and spends most of her time running away, the Apollo hasn't really been in an engagement in the same way, it only took a few minutes to the lose the Korolev and in the future we still see the Phoenix being taken out by just two ordinary Wraith ships.
Those beams seem rather slow and can't recharge that fast, three motherships and about five Alkesh and you'd win. They can't risk draining the power source of the Asgard core, or it may shut down permanently.
Actually, it's completely the opposite. The Lucian Alliance inherited a bunch of old Goa'uld ships, as did the Free Jaffa. They have no means of constructing more, we do. Earth is constructing new ships all the time, that's where the SGC's American budget went.
As it stands, a "standard" Daedalus-class Battlecruiser, can go toe-to-toe with a Wraith Hive Ship. Wraith Hive Ships are clearly more advanced and powerful than anything the Goa'uld ever built. They would have to be to have a chance against the Ancients.
In addition, the Odyssey and the Korolev both withstood multiple hits from the Ori without any power enhancements to their Asgard shields. The Free Jaffa and Lucian Alliance ships could not withstand one shot, each Ha'tak was instantly destroyed.
Yes, Daedalus-class ships are somewhat fragile with their shields down but you're not going to catch them that way twice. You refer to the Alliance's theft of the Odyssey, well if you recall Netan was very worried by the fact that Anateo had stolen the ship and had only sent him because he believed it was a suicide mission.
Daedalus, Odyssey, Apollo. Thats all we have.
Like you said the Alliance inherited the Goa'uld fleet and gee thats only...hmm...oh yeah several thousand ships.
1000:1 ratio or so.
Who cares if they can't build more, they have thousands to whittle through before they learn for about a generation how to use the left over shipyards of all the System Lords.
^They didn't inherit the entire Goa'uld fleet. Most of those ships went to the Free Jaffa.
We have no reason to believe that they have much more than what we saw in "The Ties That Bind". The sent three Ha'taks to the Supergate battle, two of which were destroyed. The remaining ship was attacked by two more in a power grab. There is no indication that they have "thousands" of ships. They have tens at most, all of which are completely inferior to a fully armed Daedalus-class Battlecruiser.
I doubt even "thousands" of Ha'taks still exist. The Free Jaffa were the main army fighting the Ori and they suffered huge casualties. It takes one direct hit from an Ori beam weapon to completely obliterate a Ha'tak.
In addition to all of this, the Goa'uld suffered heavily from their wars with each other, with Anubis, with Ba'al and the final war with the Replicators that ultimately brought about their downfall.
We have no reason to believe that they have much more than what we saw in "The Ties That Bind". The sent three Ha'taks to the Supergate battle, two of which were destroyed. The remaining ship was attacked by two more in a power grab. There is no indication that they have "thousands" of ships. They have tens at most, all of which are completely inferior to a fully armed Daedalus-class Battlecruiser.
I doubt even "thousands" of Ha'taks still exist. The Free Jaffa were the main army fighting the Ori and they suffered huge casualties. It takes one direct hit from an Ori beam weapon to completely obliterate a Ha'tak.
In addition to all of this, the Goa'uld suffered heavily from their wars with each other, with Anubis, with Ba'al and the final war with the Replicators that ultimately brought about their downfall.
Ok then, get all three ships back, strip all ZPM's, Asgard particle weapons and the core out of the Odyssey, detach the Horizon platform from the Apollo and send all three right at the Alliance, by your logic they should come out without a scratch and no shield damage right?
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