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5x013 The Big Bang (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!

Grade "The Big Bang"

  • Who Da Man?!

    Votes: 112 69.6%
  • Good

    Votes: 34 21.1%
  • Average

    Votes: 7 4.3%
  • Bad

    Votes: 6 3.7%
  • Bring RTD back

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Total voters
    161
  • Poll closed .
Yeah. The description the Doctor gave was that every star would go supernova at every moment in history. Which, while making fuck all sense, would still suggest Earth should have been blown away.

An oversight but come on not exactly earth shattering unless you want to notpick everyhole until it becomes a crater. Maybe not every star when splatter or being eye of the storm helped. Simple fact Earth needed to survive for there to be a 2nd part and the 1st part ending looked cool with everything else blowing up so I suggest a healthy dose of get over it :p
 
Finished Watching the episode around two hours, after it aired here. Understand what the Fez is now (saw some friends on FB wanting it for next season). Loved it.
 
Yeah. The description the Doctor gave was that every star would go supernova at every moment in history. Which, while making fuck all sense, would still suggest Earth should have been blown away.

An oversight but come on not exactly earth shattering unless you want to notpick everyhole until it becomes a crater. Maybe not every star when splatter or being eye of the storm helped. Simple fact Earth needed to survive for there to be a 2nd part and the 1st part ending looked cool with everything else blowing up so I suggest a healthy dose of get over it :p
I'm only pointing out a plot hole. A pretty big one at that. There's no need to get nasty over it.
so I suggest a healthy dose of get over it :p

:guffaw: :techman:
Nor you.
 
My Review

I apologise in advance as this review is going to be LONG but i've just got to get this off my chest. The first thing I will say is that the show hasn't lost me as a fan nor have I turned hater, but I am genuinely shocked at just how much I didn't enjoy the episode. While I will watch next year, my enthusiasm (for now) is considerably muted compared to what is was after watching The Pandorica Opens. I was discussing this with two friends at work who are also fans and they agreed. I really think I will remember this as the worst of the series. I'm really sorry that i've had to vent like this because 2010 has been an amazing year for the show up until this point. It's also totally unexpected that such a flawed story would emanate from the pen of Moffat.

It pains me to say this but this ended up being one of the worst episodes in the new era (2005 - present) to date. Not the worst, but certainly amongst the top ten. For me there was just far too much plot convenience to take the story seriously. It's a shame because The Pandorica Opens was a "5 out of 5" and established a very promising follow up. This time around I also managed to stay spoiler free so this is perhaps the climax I have anticipated the greatest (alongside the End of Time). The dramatic tension was resolved too easily and without any kind of loss.

The main issues:
For instance, we saw that both The Doctor and Amy were able to touch past instances of themselves without the paradox situation seen in Father's Day.

1. The time vortex wrist device just made it far to easy


2. The idea that the Doctor would be written out of time and memory was miraculously resolved by Amy remembering due to the time journal being given as a gift, yet how did Riversong get there?

I've probably totally missed the point here so a re-watch may be necessary. But with the TARDIS exploding, time is unwritten. Let's think about this, this erases everything that has happened since the Roman encampment. Now, if Riversong was at the heart of the explosion, surely she's be erased first. Remember, Van Gough's painting illustrates the TARDIS in pieces. Furthermore, by unwriting time, Amy's history is unwritten, she is re-born, but her parents are still alive and well which creates an alternate timeline where the Doctor never appeared. YET everything falls into place with the journal, Riversong's appearance and finally the Doctor.


3. While it was explained, I thought the ability of Amy to be in the Pandorica in a time period where the universe had ended and arrive where the universe lived on was just inconsistent. The Doctor explained it by the Pandorica taking an image of the Universe and projecting it (kind of like the way in which Windows or Mac OS takes a ghost image of an operating system) outward.

4. Everybody lives, everyone happy and live goes on better than ever. I'm not saying that the result should be an absolute dystopia, but in previous finales, while the Doctor has remained victorious, it was always at the expense of something. For example:

- Series 1: a regeneration

- Series 2: a companion

- Series 3: an old colleague

- Series 4: death of a former Prime Minister, genocide and being alone again. Effectively, a companion had died too given that her memories were destroyed

- Specials finale: a regeneration

While these finales had their flaws, what made them enjoyable was that by the end of the episode, the consequences of the Doctor's actions overshadowed him and changed him in some way. With this year's finale, it just lacked the tension and the anticipation because of how immediately things were going on. But the irony is, with less events and settings, the plots were so much more nail biting because we knew the Doctor had to make a decision he had to live with and possibly regret. Matt's Doctor merely shrugged it off and rubbed his hand for the next great adventure with two well dressed companions to boot.

The final point it a minor one but did annoy me; but why didn't we see how Riversong dealt with the Dalek? Surely the team didn't think that to show the shooting (if at all it happened) was too violent? To me this just overly sanitises the show. There's no way it would offend children. If we saw the burned skull of a human fall out of a Cyberman's helmet, then how could a concrete coated dalek exploding be any worse?

This episode did leave me with a sour taste in my mouth. I truly am saddened because I have absolutely loved this year's series. Matt has been an outstanding Doctor in the way that he's grown on me faster than the previous two, the writing actually has been quite good up until this point and i've enjoyed the companion. But the finale just really let this down. I hate having to write this and I realise my rant has gone on a while, but it really has disappointed me this much.

But, to the credit of the episode, the production was top notch in terms of the score and CGI plus it was well performed with a few chuckles along the way. However, by backing the Doctor into such a perilous situation, Moffat gave himself the very difficult task of writing the Doctor out of it and mostly failed.

My apologies. Let's hope we can reflect more positively next year.

1 out of 5

To finish, my ranking for 2010 goes like this:

(1) Amy's Choice
(2) The Beast Below
(3) The lodger
(4) The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood
(5) Time of Angels/Flesh & Stone
(6) The Eleventh Hour
(7) The Vampires of Venice
(8) Vincent and The Doctor
(9) Victory of the Daleks
(10) The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang
 
For instance, we saw that both The Doctor and Amy were able to touch past instances of themselves without the paradox situation seen in Father's Day.

Moffat is under no rule to follow RTD rules of time travel. Also the cracks in time and Earth being well the only bit of the universe left makes this a unique sitution where a paradox situation should not be a problem. What Rose did in Father Day wasn't the same IMO as this episode.

Yet how did Riversong get there?

Next season will reveal a lot more about her and what she is so lets wait till then.

I've probably totally missed the point here so a re-watch may be necessary. But with the TARDIS exploding, time is unwritten. Let's think about this, this erases everything that has happened since the Roman encampment. Now, if Riversong was at the heart of the explosion, surely she's be erased first. Remember, Van Gough's painting illustrates the TARDIS in pieces.

The painting is obviously showing an explosion, which happened. The Doctor said being inside The Tardis saved her because she was in a loop created by the Tardis. (IMO with The Tardis exploding outwards and River being in the heart of the eye of the storm probably kept her safe.)

Everybody lives, everyone happy and live goes on better than ever. I'm not saying that the result should be an absolute dystopia, but in previous finales, while the Doctor has remained victorious, it was always at the expense of something. For example:

- Series 1: a regeneration

- Series 2: a companion

- Series 3: an old colleague

- Series 4: death of a former Prime Minister, genocide and being alone again. Effectively, a companion had died too given that her memories were destroyed

- Specials finale: a regeneration

While these finales had their flaws, what made them enjoyable was that by the end of the episode, the consequences of the Doctor's actions overshadowed him and changed him in some way. With this year's finale, it just lacked the tension and the anticipation because of how immediately things were going on.

Every season ending on a downer gets old after a while, Moffat was right to try something nice for once. Also it wasn't all sweet as The Doctor clearly stated this new foe is outthere somewhere so its like only half a story so far. Also River Song's warning at the end clearly doesn't bode well for someone onboard the Tardis.
 
Yeah. The description the Doctor gave was that every star would go supernova at every moment in history. Which, while making fuck all sense, would still suggest Earth should have been blown away.

An oversight but come on not exactly earth shattering unless you want to notpick everyhole until it becomes a crater. Maybe not every star when splatter or being eye of the storm helped. Simple fact Earth needed to survive for there to be a 2nd part and the 1st part ending looked cool with everything else blowing up so I suggest a healthy dose of get over it :p
I'm only pointing out a plot hole. A pretty big one at that. There's no need to get nasty over it.
so I suggest a healthy dose of get over it :p

:guffaw: :techman:
Nor you.

Yes, because laughing and agreeing is certainly "getting nasty"... :rolleyes:
 
The main issues:
For instance, we saw that both The Doctor and Amy were able to touch past instances of themselves without the paradox situation seen in Father's Day.
This only happens in the bubble-universe at the heart of the destruction of time/space. Within that bubble, there are no stars, and no other species within time. Thus, there are no Reapers to appear. And, as The Doctor said, time was shrinking. Thus, what caused a spark of temporal energy (the two screwdrivers touching 2000 years in the past), would have no effect by 2010. And, with the erasure coming up within at least twelve years of their current position in 2010 (i.e. little Amelia erasing in the museum), The Doctor could touch himself from ten minutes in the future, and Amy could touch herself twelve years in the past.
1. The time vortex wrist device just made it far to easy
Subjectively speaking, I would agree with you. However, since the circumstances of the episode's environment (the collapsing time/space continuum) was a different ballgame, there were different rules applied.
2. The idea that the Doctor would be written out of time and memory was miraculously resolved by Amy remembering due to the time journal being given as a gift, yet how did Riversong get there?

I've probably totally missed the point here so a re-watch may be necessary. But with the TARDIS exploding, time is unwritten. Let's think about this, this erases everything that has happened since the Roman encampment. Now, if Riversong was at the heart of the explosion, surely she's be erased first. Remember, Van Gough's painting illustrates the TARDIS in pieces. Furthermore, by unwriting time, Amy's history is unwritten, she is re-born, but her parents are still alive and well which creates an alternate timeline where the Doctor never appeared. YET everything falls into place with the journal, Riversong's appearance and finally the Doctor.
If River Song is time-sensitive like The Doctor, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest she might just be, then there's no reason why she couldn't have remembered him. Amy, however, having lived near the crack in her wall her entire life...her mind was changed (as The Doctor told her). She could will these memories back into existence because of her link with the restructuring of the timeline.
3. While it was explained, I thought the ability of Amy to be in the Pandorica in a time period where the universe had ended and arrive where the universe lived on was just inconsistent.
But, for those two-thousand years the exploding TARDIS was keeping the Earth warm....in the eye of the explosion, as it were...time progressed more or less normally. Except, the changes were, there were no stars (since everything else had already ended around it). So, there was no real inconsistency.
The Doctor explained it by the Pandorica taking an image of the Universe and projecting it (kind of like the way in which Windows or Mac OS takes a ghost image of an operating system) outward.
Did he? I thought that was his brief explanation of how The Pandorica would reboot the universe. I could be wrong, though.
4. Everybody lives, everyone happy and live goes on better than ever. I'm not saying that the result should be an absolute dystopia, but in previous finales, while the Doctor has remained victorious, it was always at the expense of something.
And this time, it would have been at the expense of The Doctor, himself. Erased from time. It was only thanks to Amy Pond that he was able to escape his sacrifice and re-integrate with the timeline. So, in effect, exactly what you wanted happened. But, someone saved HIM for a change. And thus, we got the rare 'happy ending' for the season, which (like others) I thought a breath of fresh air.
The final point it a minor one but did annoy me; but why didn't we see how Riversong dealt with the Dalek? Surely the team didn't think that to show the shooting (if at all it happened) was too violent? To me this just overly sanitises the show. There's no way it would offend children. If we saw the burned skull of a human fall out of a Cyberman's helmet, then how could a concrete coated dalek exploding be any worse?
Pacing? Time? Melodrama? The answers are varied and many, I'm certain. However, I doubt it had anything to do with morality or the ""sanitization" of the show. Probably just came down to budget, and having to rig the destruction of a new Dalek prop, than anything else. And, really...isn't what she did in your head better than what they could have shown? I thought it was pitch-perfect, myself.
This episode did leave me with a sour taste in my mouth. I truly am saddened because I have absolutely loved this year's series. Matt has been an outstanding Doctor in the way that he's grown on me faster than the previous two, the writing actually has been quite good up until this point and i've enjoyed the companion. But the finale just really let this down.
Well, that does suck man. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it as much the rest of us. But, that is also the beauty of the show. It should never please everyone, all the time. Doctor Who can be anything, and I love seeing the variety of ways it's been presented to us over the decades. Here's hoping Season Six/Forty-Eight is more to your liking! :techman:
 
I find it ironic Joel suggests not showing the Dalek getting blasted demonstrates the sanitisation of the show when only a few minutes before we were clearly shown the Doctor getting shot and exterminated, complete with visual and SFX!
 
An oversight but come on not exactly earth shattering unless you want to notpick everyhole until it becomes a crater. Maybe not every star when splatter or being eye of the storm helped. Simple fact Earth needed to survive for there to be a 2nd part and the 1st part ending looked cool with everything else blowing up so I suggest a healthy dose of get over it :p

I'm only pointing out a plot hole. A pretty big one at that. There's no need to get nasty over it.

Yes because putting :p is me being so horrible to you
 
Thanks for taking the time to read my replies everyone :) I've read over all of yours and really appreciate it. While i'm not sold on a new attitude toward the episode, I will definitely do a re-watch once the box set is released.

Believe me I took no pleasure in writing that. It honestly was painful to write. I've done everything I can to keep an open mind but I just can't find it yet. Like I said, i've only seen it once. I've read a lot of feedback about my comments on other forums and there are some good points. When I revisit the episode i'll watch for those moments again. Keep in mind, I LOVED The Pandorica Opens, that to me was a 5 out of 5.

But, I did think of some more positives:

- Perhaps this isn't an ending at all. It's implied that the cracks were only the beginning and there is something greater at work which was behind the explosion of the TARDIS.

- We definitely know there's more to Riversong and perhaps she doesn't entirely serve the Doctor's interests

I suppose you could kind of consider the "silence" as a two-part arc stretched across two seasons. Perhaps this can be thought of as just another double episode, kind of like The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood. In previous finales, there's not really a sense of unfinished business.

Instead, the Doctor moves on to find his new companion and discover a whole new motif. Here there seems to be so much more focus on continuity: saving the companions, keeping them and still questions being unanswered. Maybe we're just at the halfway point? Perhaps my final verdict hasn't taken this into account and Moffat isn't quite done with the story in the way RTD would at the end of any year.

But, enough of 2010, i'm looking to 2011 :)
 
This thing was like a Davies finale on crack. Loved it.

As for the cast - Smith's Doctor's still the weak link, Amy and Rory are great - first companions I've liked since Rose.

Thing is, now that they've literally destroyed the entire Universe and recreated it what do they do for a finale next year? :lol:
 
I've gotta say, the "there are no such things as stars" moment was eerie - I don't get that kind of Twilight Zoney frisson from many skiffy movies or tv shows these days. It was pretty awesome.
 
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