5x013 The Big Bang (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!

[Samurai8472]

I certainly don't think he can beat it in timey-wimey cleverness. I do like that he's brought time travel to the fore this year, and got to break all the rules about it in the finale, but less of a focus next year would be a good thing I think.

I have a strong feeling Moffat will tie in this season with next season REAL CLOSELY.

Like Back to the future part 2 The doctor could revisit the events of "The Eleventh Hour" or "Victory of the Daleks"

"It's all the in past" means nothing for the doctor.

The eleventh hour doctor leaves

Series 6 doctor drops in

"Oh I hate repeats"

 

[Bones2]

So you've not been able to enjoy or understand the Bang Big because of your inability to stay still long enough to watch it and because of this, you've marked the episode down and also because you couldn't understand what was going on. Right, ok then!!!!

No.

It looks like you are saying that.

Well what I'm getting at is that at the end it felt like I'd missed something, whereas I hadn't really. I thought I must have not paid it enough attention, that there was a better explanation for many of the things, but there wasn't. It gives an impression of being complex, whereas really it's just a bit nonsensical. Same as with The End of Time, though The Big Bang was better if only because more actually happened.

 

[Saul]

I don't think the existence of the Angles depends on Amys memories. It was the Doctor that brought everythign in the universe back except for himself and it was he who closed the crack by going into it. Everything is reset in my view.

 

[Starkers]

I certainly don't think he can beat it in timey-wimey cleverness. I do like that he's brought time travel to the fore this year, and got to break all the rules about it in the finale, but less of a focus next year would be a good thing I think.

I'm kinda with Bones here, I don't think its as clever as people think, and I do wonder what the average 8 year old made of it.

I agree on the timey-wimey front, I think Moffat needs to tone it down slightly next year. Though this is a show about time travel, if Trek showed us anything its that the more you go into timey wimyness the more you overthink the plumbing, and we all know what happens then

The further I get away from The Big Bang I think the more dissapointed I am, because I was expecting more (I used to do the same with RTD and probably would do the same whoever wrote the finale) I was really hoping there'd be explanations why Bracewell could outfit spitfires in a few minutes, or the Doctor and co could string up a village wide surveillance system in a few minutes as well...nah wasn't anything clever, it was just dramatic licence.

 

[HappyDayRiot]

For those who don't quite understand, this is pretty comprehensive: http://www.denofgeek.com/television/529293/explaining_doctor_who_the_big_bang.html

No doubt nitpicks etc will continue, but at least I've tried to help.

It might be because I've watched so much SCI FI in my life but I got most of that stuff as I watched and I can't understand how some people seem to just have cracks in there memories and forget info which leads them to go

So did I to be honest.

I agree with Starkers and Bones - it gives the impression of being a lot cleverer than it is. Still rocked though.

 

[DimesDan]

For those who don't quite understand, this is pretty comprehensive: http://www.denofgeek.com/television/529293/explaining_doctor_who_the_big_bang.html

No doubt nitpicks etc will continue, but at least I've tried to help.

It might be because I've watched so much SCI FI in my life but I got most of that stuff as I watched and I can't understand how some people seem to just have cracks in there memories and forget info which leads them to go

So did I to be honest.

I agree with Starkers and Bones - it gives the impression of being a lot cleverer than it is. Still rocked though.

Hasn't Moffat gone on record saying that Smith and Jones is a lot more complex than Blink was? I suspect this is the same, it does on first viewing on to the lay person not clued up on causality and paradoxes, they would find it somewhat complex, but for people hanging out here, not so much. But yes, it still absolutely rocked.

 

[Starkers]

Moffat bangs on about how the start of Smith and Jones was great writing to introduce Martha and her family etc...personally I find that whole sequence horribly contrived. Luckily the rest of the episode is more fun...well at least until the Doctor shakes radiation out of his shoe...

 

[Australis]

I have a strong feeling Moffat will tie in this season with next season REAL CLOSELY.

Like Back to the future part 2 The doctor could revisit the events of "The Eleventh Hour" or "Victory of the Daleks"

"It's all the in past" means nothing for the doctor.

The eleventh hour doctor leaves

Series 6 doctor drops in

"Oh I hate repeats"

I think you're entirely right. Here's an example. VicOTD when the Air Raid Warden's up on the roof, and tells someone to close the door (because of the light). I thought it was going to fit in during s5, then that they forgot it, but now I think it's going over to s6. It's like the mystery figure in the house in 11th Hour, who's more than likely the Doctor who materialised in the house on his trip back through time.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

I doubt that the Warden will come up again. I think it was just Gatiss setting up that lights being visible = bad. Whether that was really necessary...?

I wouldn't be surprised if Moffat brings back, say, Prisoner Zero though. It did seem to know a fair bit about what was going on with the cracks for a throwaway villain. And you've got to be pretty damn important to be worth destroying a planet over.

 

[Captain Pike]

I thought the warden yelling out "put that light out" was just a light hearted homage to Dads Army. He even looked like Jones the butcher/Lance Corporal, though that in itself is kinda odd since it was a different character who was the warden in DA.. ( was the actors name Bill Pertwee? I have some vague recollection )

ETA - yeah I just looked it up. The warden character was Hodges, played by Bill Pertwee, a distant cousin to Jon Pertwee. "Put that light out!" was something of a catch phrase for him. Mind you, I think it was also something actual air raid wardens were heard to shout during WWII, so it may just be co-incidence.

 

[Starkers]

Well you have to wonder if the big bang over ran and there were supposed to be more Doctor in the past bits that they simply didn't have time to aknowledge...or it might just have been a homage, a way of padding out a woefully underlength episode, or Gatiss being really obvious about pointing out that lights on in the blitz was the worst thing ever!!

 

[All Seeing Eye]

I doubt that the Warden will come up again. I think it was just Gatiss setting up that lights being visible = bad. Whether that was really necessary...?

I wouldn't be surprised if Moffat brings back, say, Prisoner Zero though. It did seem to know a fair bit about what was going on with the cracks for a throwaway villain. And you've got to be pretty damn important to be worth destroying a planet over.

I think prisoner zero was more likely the lap dog of the real bad guy. It's already been defeated by the Doctor in a sense and was some kind of piranha fish type thing. Can't see them bringing it back other than in perhaps a mention by the Doctor.

 

[Rowan Sjet]

I doubt that the Warden will come up again. I think it was just Gatiss setting up that lights being visible = bad. Whether that was really necessary...?

I wouldn't be surprised if Moffat brings back, say, Prisoner Zero though. It did seem to know a fair bit about what was going on with the cracks for a throwaway villain. And you've got to be pretty damn important to be worth destroying a planet over.

I think prisoner zero was more likely the lap dog of the real bad guy. It's already been defeated by the Doctor in a sense and was some kind of piranha fish type thing. Can't see them bringing it back other than in perhaps a mention by the Doctor.

Oh yeah, definitely that bolded part. But give it a good enough story and it could be build up to the main bad guy. Maybe the Doctor is even the one responsible for originally imprisoning PZero.

Of course, it's just my pet theory. I certainly wouldn't mind if nothing more happened there.

 

[Samurai8472]

Well you have to wonder if the big bang over ran and there were supposed to be more Doctor in the past bits that they simply didn't have time to aknowledge...or it might just have been a homage, a way of padding out a woefully underlength episode, or Gatiss being really obvious about pointing out that lights on in the blitz was the worst thing ever!!

Remember those scenes in "The Lodger" where Amy would oddly yell at something in the TARDIS?

Amy- Hey!.....Hang on!

When it was only her in there

I think the "out of the corner of your eye" stuff will be brought up again

 

[Psion]

Well you have to wonder if the big bang over ran and there were supposed to be more Doctor in the past bits that they simply didn't have time to aknowledge...or it might just have been a homage, a way of padding out a woefully underlength episode, or Gatiss being really obvious about pointing out that lights on in the blitz was the worst thing ever!!

Remember those scenes in "The Lodger" where Amy would oddly yell at something in the TARDIS?

Amy- Hey!.....Hang on!

When it was only her in there

I think the "out of the corner of your eye" stuff will be brought up again

I think -- and some would say that's a dangerously generous way to describe the processes that go on within my skull -- that Amy was supposed to be reacting to the Doctor's advice to hang on after just learning that she and the TARDIS could be flung off into the time vortex when things go 'all nines'. But you're right that her reaction and the musical cue almost look like she sees something at that moment. It just doesn't play out that way, and I'd expect her to say something like, "How did you just get on the TARDIS?" or "Why is there a duplicate me on the TARDIS?" or "Doctor, there's a strange man on the TARDIS!" or "Doctor, do you keep a nine foot tall, tentacled horror with three heads and blue skin as a pet because there's one on the TARDIS!?"

 

[Starkers]

I thought she was looking at the monitor? I could have been thinking of another bit though...

 

[Phily B]

I hated this finale more than any other, but one thing that really stuck out is what happened to the Sol sun? I mean the sun was an exploding TARDIS which is why it looked weird, but what happened to the original sun????

 

[David cgc]

It unhappened, like every other star in the universe.

 

[Phily B]

But every other star in the universe blew up, hence no stars and presumably no life. Why didn't sol destroy Earth? I know the TARDIS kept the Earth warm.

 

[Bones2]

Yeah. The description the Doctor gave was that every star would go supernova at every moment in history. Which, while making fuck all sense, would still suggest Earth should have been blown away.