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5x012 The Pandorica Opens (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!

Grade "The Lodger"

  • Who da Man?!

    Votes: 93 73.2%
  • Good

    Votes: 26 20.5%
  • Average

    Votes: 6 4.7%
  • Poor

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • What episode? The crack erased it

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • Total voters
    127
  • Poll closed .
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Just replace them with the proper Cybermen and it'd be perfect.

Though to be fair, now they don't seem to stomp around in formation like tin idiots and act like they may as well be robots, the design seems to work.

The lack of stomping is definitely a positive.
 
USA's turn. Holy crap that episode was amazing!!! 4 out of 4 stars!!!

It's a shame. This episode and the River/Angel two parter was absolutely amazing, yet most of the rest of the season was on the mundane side. Why were these 4 (I assume the finale is also amazing) so jam packed with excellence while the rest were so fallow?!?!

The plot twist was pretty cool though I suspected it. When they said it was built to imprison someone who had killed billions I instantly thought of the Doctor. That or Amy. Thank god Rory wasn't real because I was pissed that they brought him back like that.

An alliance of all the villains teaming up to stop the Doctor from destroying the universe. That is so cool! I did not see that part coming. I also loved the episode showing half of the guest-stars from the entire season getting a warning to the Doctor. Extremely cool opening.

It's funny, the Daleks used the exact same trap to lure the Doctor in for "Victory of the Daleks". They used a robot impersonating a human to play on his sense of humanity.

So why don't the baddies just KILL the Doctor?

VERY excited for the finale. :)
 
So why don't the baddies just KILL the Doctor?

Because the millions of times they have faced him in the past, it wasn't like they were playing cards. ;) At this point, I would imagine they realize it's probably harder to actually kill The Doctor, with certainty, than it is to just imprison him like that... :techman:
 
That was indeed a pretty smashing episode! The revisiting of guest stars from earlier in the season, and River visiting Amelia's house was pretty cool, and everything falling apart as the story progressed was really cool. The villain alliance was also neat.

Still not thrilled with the new Daleks, and I do NOT like the new "main Dalek" voice. C'mon, Briggs, bring back that classic voice!

Can't wait till next week!
 
So why don't the baddies just KILL the Doctor?

Because the millions of times they have faced him in the past, it wasn't like they were playing cards. ;) At this point, I would imagine they realize it's probably harder to actually kill The Doctor, with certainty, than it is to just imprison him like that... :techman:
Nah, that's rubbish. They're not stupid; they know if you cut his head off he won't come back. Besides, the Daleks ought to know how to finish off a Time Lord having fought the biggest war ever with the buggers.

The best rationalisation I've heard for why they don't just kill him is that the more moral races like the Judoon wouldn't go for that; imprisoning him to prevent him from destroying the universe is more moral.
 
Yes, because things went so well for the Daleks last time they killed him. He ended up cloning himself and making them do a little dance.
 
They didn't kill him though. It was clearly a glancing shot, and then the Dalek who did it was destroyed very soon after. It'd be quite different if they held him in the corner and spent 10 solid minutes firing their guns at him.
 
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Yeah.

And a fully dead Time Lord won't regenerate either. As happened in Turn Left when the Tenth Doctor drowned (or however it worked).
 
So why don't the baddies just KILL the Doctor?

Because the millions of times they have faced him in the past, it wasn't like they were playing cards. ;) At this point, I would imagine they realize it's probably harder to actually kill The Doctor, with certainty, than it is to just imprison him like that... :techman:
Nah, that's rubbish. They're not stupid; they know if you cut his head off he won't come back.

Where was that said in the series? :confused: I honestly don't remember hearing of such limits. But, as the Doc has survived radiation poisoning on two occasions (Planet of Spiders, End of Time), falling twenty stories (Logopolis) or higher (End of Time), American medicine (Enemy Within), redistributing power from the temporal vortex of the universe (Parting of the Ways), being shot by a Dalek (Stolen Earth), and whatever the hell killed Six and Eight, I feel pretty strongly that it would take a great deal more to kill him than just cutting his head off. Besides, that's too "Highlander". Ugh.

Besides, the Daleks ought to know how to finish off a Time Lord having fought the biggest war ever with the buggers.
But, as is consistently pointed out, The Doctor is not only not just another Time Lord, keep in mind that he alone won that war. The Doctor wiped out the two most powerful races in the history of his universe. Do you really think it's logical that these new toy Daleks think they can stop him? I have more faith in the character, as he's been kicking everyone's ass for probably around 2000 or 3000 years.

The best rationalisation I've heard for why they don't just kill him is that the more moral races like the Judoon wouldn't go for that; imprisoning him to prevent him from destroying the universe is more moral.
I'd accept that rationale, but only if I thought the Daleks, Cybermen, or Sontarans would submit to their rule of law. Besides, if the Shadow Proclamation is in league with these guys, it shows that their morality is questionable at best...
 
Besides, if the Shadow Proclamation is in league with these guys, it shows that their morality is questionable at best...

The Judoon enforce law, not morality. In their first appearance they were happy to allow every human in the hospital to suffocate as long as they got the one criminal they were hunting. Forming an alliance with the Daleks, Cybermen etc. would be perfectly acceptable to them if it achieved their own goals.
 
So are you saying the Doctor is magic, or they're just stupid and think he's magic?

What's stupid about it? They've all been trying to defeat this guy for tens of thousands of years, at least. All he does is kick their ass without breaking a sweat. Killing him doesn't seem to stop him, so in this instance, where allowing the Doctor to succeed in whatever he was doing was completely and totally unacceptable for anyone, they decided to just bury him, and allow him absolutely no means of escape. And if he'd actually been the one to blow up the TARDIS, it would've worked, too.

It's like saying Picard is stupid for thinking he can't just shoot Q and end his meddling mischief that way. There's been little to suggest that'd work so far.
 
Dalek Scott: Wait, aren't you even going to watch them? They could get away!

Dalek Evil: No no no, I'm going to leave them alone and not actually witness them dying, I'm just gonna assume it all went to plan. What?

Dalek Scott: I have a gun, in my room, you give me five seconds, I'll get it, I'll come back down here, BOOM, I'll blow their brains out!

Dalek Evil: Scott, you just don't get it, do ya? You don't.
 
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