5x012 The Pandorica Opens (Grading/Discussion) SPOILERS!!
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Don't see how. This pre-dates both The Time of Angels and Silence in the Library.
After playing it back... I know the voice. Just can't put my finger on who. I'll admit it sounds like Davros but it was more human than that. More like Emperor Palpatine.
As I said it does sound very familiar...and I think we'll see River a few more times. I think River's Moffat's baby.
The alliance contains not only the "bad guys" but also the "good guys" like the Draconians and the Judoon/Shadow Proclaimation. Granted, the Judoon stretches any definition of what a "good guy" is, but they're still in law enforcement.
Perhaps the reason why The Doctor wasn't killed is because the good guys in the alliance insisted on not killing The Doctor?
Perhaps the reason why The Doctor wasn't killed is because the good guys in the alliance insisted on not killing The Doctor?
Ah, good reasoning. If we don't get another explanation, I can live with that.
It seems to me that we received the answers to who's controlling the TARDIS in the episodes Amy's Choice and The Lodger, which incidentally are two of the episodes not referenced in this one.
In The Lodger we learned that a TARDIS could have an emergency hologram, which the Doctor seemed familiar enough with as a concept. We also learned in Amy's Choice that it was the Doctor himself who was manipulating events and not in full control of his facilities, instead giving in to his darker half as the Dream Lord/Valeyard.
What if during that time, the Dream Lord/Valeyard hacked into the TARDIS's emergency hologram and set all of this in motion? He's had years if not centuries to plot and scheme how to bring everything to fruition, and when the Doctor snapped and became the Timelord Victorious, which eventually lead to the TARDIS freaking out and dropping him off at Amy's house... well... I think the coincidences are just too much.
And as we learned in this episode, never ignore a coincidence.
In The Lodger we learned that a TARDIS could have an emergency hologram, which the Doctor seemed familiar enough with as a concept. We also learned in Amy's Choice that it was the Doctor himself who was manipulating events and not in full control of his facilities, instead giving in to his darker half as the Dream Lord/Valeyard.
What if during that time, the Dream Lord/Valeyard hacked into the TARDIS's emergency hologram and set all of this in motion? He's had years if not centuries to plot and scheme how to bring everything to fruition, and when the Doctor snapped and became the Timelord Victorious, which eventually lead to the TARDIS freaking out and dropping him off at Amy's house... well... I think the coincidences are just too much.
And as we learned in this episode, never ignore a coincidence.
I'm always troubled by the notion of the Valeyard cropping up before time. It's quite clearly stated in Trial that he was something between the 12th and 13th incarnations of the Doctor, and I think that's the time to use him. You can consider the Dreamlord to be a hint at the future, but I'm not too keen to see it all happen now.
Amy "So, how did it end up in there (the Pandorica)?"
Doctor "As in all fairy tales, a good wizard tricked it."
River "I hate good wizards in fairy tales, they always turn up to be him"
I wonder what "him" is River Song referring to. The Doctor?
Doctor "As in all fairy tales, a good wizard tricked it."
River "I hate good wizards in fairy tales, they always turn up to be him"
I wonder what "him" is River Song referring to. The Doctor?
He should, he used it himself in The Parting of the Ways.
Yes, that's what was implied.
The Doctor also used the hologram when saying good bye to Rose in "Doomsday". Regarding the Alliance...the Daleks basically told us why they're all working together and not fighting amongst themselves...because they all have data that confirms that the Doctor causes the event that destroys the universe and they all agreed to stop that threat. I'm thinking and agree with the poster above that maybe the Shadow Proclamation was instrumental in bringing in and negotiation among all the alliance members. The Doctor is in violation of the Shadow Proclamation at some point and the Alliance through them are taking measures to stop him.
This is actually a rather cool idea, cause in the past the Timelords were there to stop him from going too far, in fact they had a whole "Trial of the Timelords" thing several times, the second Doctor was forced to regenerate and exiled on Earth even. Now though, with no other Timelords, the Doctor is out of control in a way, nothing but the other races to intervene. It is interesting because even in the old series someone has had to intervene to keep the Doctor in check, so this isn't a new idea, just something that has been building and building and has to be taken care of. On the other hand, I think they are going to find that the Doctor is a constant in the universe that MUST exist in order to also balance out the rest of the universe! My head is spiny.
And of course since Brent brought up "Trial of the Time Lord" we all know who the prosecutor was don't we 
Also, in regards to Valeyard, he could be crossing his own timestream. Remember that the reason the Valeyard turned dark was his fear of death. He was trying to steal 6's remaining regenerations.
Maybe the plan is by the Valeyard and he has crossed his own timestream to a moment when he was capable of orchastrating a trap for his former self. Stick the Doctor in an UNDO-type box and gobble up all 13 of his never-existing/never-used regenerations.
Maybe the plan is by the Valeyard and he has crossed his own timestream to a moment when he was capable of orchastrating a trap for his former self. Stick the Doctor in an UNDO-type box and gobble up all 13 of his never-existing/never-used regenerations.
Why the hell did you say that? Why didn't you put that in a spoiler warning? The spoilers for this thread are for "The Pandorica Opens," not "The Big Bang."
I honestly can't see Moffat using the Valeyard. He's an obscure character that only the most diehard fans are even going to know or care about. To everyone else, like me, his involvement wouldn't have much of an impact at all (and to be honest, I have a hard time getting excited about the character even after reading up on him).
At least with Davros, he had a much longer history and most people were vaguely aware of him before he returned.