5 year old given rifle as gift, kills 2 year old sister

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by Candlelight, May 1, 2013.

  1. KimMH

    KimMH Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jan 14, 2009
    The poster formerly known as ORSE
    I understand being angry at the parents for their carelessness, but I think they honestly will be punished enough. If they spend a 100 years in prison or go free, they will have still lost one child at the hands of another.
  2. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 11, 2008
    San Francisco, CA
    Well, I was about to write "if you're too short to ride Space Mountain," but then realized I didn't want to be accused of anti-little people-ism.

    So, okay, "unless you're a little person already over the age of ten, if you're too short for Space Mountain..." :p
  3. HaplessCrewman

    HaplessCrewman Commander Red Shirt

    Mar 24, 2006
    Office of Scientific Intelligence
    The only way to stop a bad kid with a gun is with a good kid with a gun.

    If only the two year old had a gun, this wouldn't have happened.
  4. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

    Oct 13, 2003
    RIP Leonard Nimoy
    I don't think they need jail time, but I think the state needs to go into the home and remove all firearms and a court order issued barring them from purchasing, owning, or storing guns and ammo so long as there is children living in the home. Clearly these were not responsible gun owners and can't be trusted to have firearms and kids in the same house.

    I'd also mandate that the 5 year-old be monitored by a court ordered psychologist to help deal with 1) the fact he killed his baby sister 2) signs of mental or physical abuse by the parents.
  5. Vendikarr

    Vendikarr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 17, 2001
    Waits for the NRA to proclaim background checks wouldn't have saved her
  6. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 2, 2009
    Wow, that is the most disturbing piece of news related to gun control I've ever read.

    'murica, fuck yeah!
  7. Bisz

    Bisz Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 20, 1999
    Ontario, Canada

    A kid who plays with toys and not weapons of war will grow up to be a safe adult.
  8. Owain Taggart

    Owain Taggart Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Nov 30, 2009
    Northern Ontario, Canada
    It's always sad to hear about these things happening :( I agree that a kid that young shouldn't have a gun in the first place. There's just too much room for error. And if parents insist on giving their kid a gun, then they should have the common sense of taking safety precautions such as not leaving guns laying around and not having them loaded. At that age, a kid is not going to know any better, and they're impressionable, and much more liable to do things because they see their parents do something. That does pose a question about the parents though. If they've left their kid's gun laying around loaded, I wouldn't trust this family with guns, period.

    Reminds me of a story I read a long time ago. Must have been in 2009, where a father took his kid out to a gun fair and let him shoot what must have been a semi-automatic, and the kid couldn't handle the recoil and wound up shooting himself.
  9. scotpens

    scotpens Vice Admiral Premium Member

    Nov 29, 2009
    Los Angeles, CA
    Please spare the hyperbole. A .22 caliber target rifle, like the ones we used at Scout camp, is not a weapon of war.

    is right. For most kids, 12 is an age at which they can learn to shoot and handle a gun responsibly and safely. And all children should be taught what to do if they see an unsecured gun lying around: “Don’t touch, get away, tell an adult.”
  10. Brent

    Brent Admiral Admiral

    Apr 24, 2003
    I grew up in texas, I think my parents might have gotten me a nerf thingamajig when I was 5 years old, or a water gun, yeah....

    These parents are pretty stupid to be giving a 5 year old a gun IMO, very irresponsible
  11. Gary7

    Gary7 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    I have no doubt that the little boy had no idea of what would happen. His parents are completely responsible for the homicide and should be sufficiently punished... I just hope that this issue is properly handled with the boy. Can you imagine growing up, knowing you killed your sister? The guilt would eat me alive.
  12. Amaris

    Amaris Abiding Eos Premium Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    United States
    Not only that, but also friends, neighbors, other members of the family, all of them knowing that you killed your little sister. The stress and pressure will be immense for this little guy, and it breaks my heart that he will live the rest of his life this way.
  13. Gary7

    Gary7 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    ^ Good points there, J.Allen. Seems like this kid is destined for long term psychiatry.
  14. Data Holmes

    Data Holmes Admiral Admiral

    Apr 21, 2001
    zone.33 lounge at club Planet Noir
    It was a full auto, it was in Mass I believe. The father signed the permission waver and the kid was with a trained instructor at the firing line.

    Or not. Not publicly shaming the kid and treating him like a pariah because of an accident would go a long ways to help.
  15. Lindley

    Lindley Moderator with a Soul Premium Member

    Nov 30, 2001
    Bonney Lake, WA

    I must have gone to the wrong Boy Scout camps....
  16. Locutus of Bored

    Locutus of Bored KNEEL BEFORE RODD! Moderator

    Jul 5, 2004
    Incinerating You With Gene's Vision
    You say that as if it clears up the whole issue and like there's nothing bizarre or misguided about a father wanting his young son to fire a fully automatic weapon. You can't even use the excuse of teaching the kid hunting or home defense for that. What purpose does a child, much less an adult who's not in the military or law enforcement, have with a full auto weapon?

    Fortunately, that's an imaginary problem, as the vast majority of people are neither shaming the kid nor treating him like a pariah, because he's, you know, five. The targets of most people's ire in this case have rightly been the negligent parents, the companies that market guns to small children, and the insane gun culture in this country.

    Although, there have been a couple of people in TNZ who have never raised children themselves who have been making wild claims about "well-mannered and well-educated children doing what they're told" and never playing around with loaded weapons left out in the open, which does put the onus for the accident on the five-year old child's shoulders rather than the grossly negligent parents. You wouldn't happen to know who one of those people were, would you, Data? But yes, I agree, we shouldn't shame the child by calling him not well-mannered and implying that he's an abnormal five-year-old because he did something he wasn't supposed to do like every child that's ever existed.
  17. Owain Taggart

    Owain Taggart Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Nov 30, 2009
    Northern Ontario, Canada
    +1 . Fully agree. I didn't want to make any assumptions about it being fully automatic or not since I couldn't remember any details, but knowing that it was indeed a fully automatic weapon makes the situation even worse. There shouldn't be any reason for this kind of thing to happen in the first place. Ever. It's totally irresponsible for the parent to be putting the kid in danger like that, trained instructor or not.

    Anyway, back to the original story. I feel for the little guy. He's going to need some counseling when he grows up knowing what's happened. Poor guy.
  18. Melakon

    Melakon Admiral Admiral

    Nov 22, 2012
    Melakon's grave
    I'd seen the headlines, but just read the story within the hour. I simply don't understand why people would give a child that young a real rifle instead of an air rifle.

    I'm not a parent, but is a 5 year old even capable of comprehending that a gun can kill people? Or of what death is?

    There's some sort of irony at work here. In the 50s and 60s, I had cap pistols. Cowboys and Indians were all over TV. There were even some guns that shot plastic "bullets" like the Mattel Fanner 50 revolver. Then after the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK, safety groups got involved and such toys were virtually eliminated. So now they give kids barely old enough to wipe their own asses real guns.
  19. Miss Chicken

    Miss Chicken Little three legged cat with attitude Premium Member

    Jul 23, 2001
    Howrah, Hobart, Tasmania
    It seems strange that Kinder Surprises (Kinder Eggs) are banned in the USA because they are considered dangerous and yet there are such things as children's guns.
  20. Squiggy

    Squiggy FrozenToad Admiral

    Jul 5, 2006
    Left Bank
    That means dwarves shouldn't get firearms.