5 worst seasons in all of the Trek, tv shows?

[Mattadd]

How does it not make sense? What have we heard about the 22nd century before Enterprise? There's more than enough room for more than the romulan war.
Now the temporal cold war was stupid in my opinion but the Suliban and Xindi were perfectly fine. We shouldn't assume that we have seen every species known to the federation by the time DS9 ends, there was always room for Enterprise to invent new ones.


Using that logic, would it have made more sense for TNG as a sequel show to be nothing but references to TOS, revisiting planets, bringing back characters, concepts, species etc. to show what became of them since the 23rd century?

I disagree with your logic.

 

[Relayer1]

It's easier for me to spell it out like this:
TOS' strongest seasons: 1; first half of 2
TOS' weakest seasons: last half of 2; 3
TNG's strongest seasons: 3; 4; 5; 6
TNG's weakest seasons: 1; 2; 7
DS9's strongest seasons: 2; 3; 4; 5; 7
DS9's weakest seasons: 1; 6
VOY's strongest seasons: 2; 4; 5
VOY's weakest seasons: 1; 3; 6; 7
ENT's strongest seasons: 3; 4
ENT's weakest seasons: 1; 2

This approach kind of sums it up for me - all of the shows had weak starts, even my beloved DS9. Most took two or three seasons to find their feet.

Sadly, although I can see it's a step up, I disliked the story arc from Ent season 3. I did, however, love the much maligned season 4...

 

[Mattadd]

This approach kind of sums it up for me - all of the shows had weak starts, even my beloved DS9. Most took two or three seasons to find their feet.

Sadly, although I can see it's a step up, I disliked the story arc from Ent season 3. I did, however, love the much maligned season 4...

DS9 did have a weak start but even their worst season doesn't belong in the ranks of the worst seasons of the other series.

I loved both season 3 and season 4 from Enterprise.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

1. Enterprise season 2
2. Enterprise season 1

Everything about these first two seasons were embarrassing. Mediocre scripts that were trying to be even more TNG-lite than than Voyager, forgettable characters, absolute risk aversion and blatant contrived setups for forced sexuality like the decontamination sauna.

3. TNG season 1

Very campy. I'm not averse to the more extreme idealism of season 1 but they had trouble with the stories being cheesy, the scripting being weak, and certain annoying things like boy genius Wesley constantly shoved down our throats.

4. Voyager season 3

This season just had a lot of mediocre scripts. Clearly they had run out of ideas, and if Seven was a ratings gimmick, I think given the writers the show had, they were in desperate need of a gimmick to reduce the need for actual creativity.

5. Voyager season 1

The first couple episodes started out reasonably strong but by the end of a short first season they were already running on creative fumes.

 

[Mattadd]

I mostly agree with the above. But can you really say VOY 3 was worse than VOY 2? I mean Threshold. Tuvix. Seska.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I'll go the opposite direction:

TOS Season 1
TOS Season 2
TNG Season 3
ENT Season 4
VOY Season 4

Everything else is a crap shoot.

ETA: I think even that might be too simplistic. I would say even going beyond that, you have TOS1 as the clear stand-out and ENT2 as the biggest turd. But even then, I think there are episodes in TOS1 that are overrated and not so great, and a couple in ENT2 that I quite enjoy.

Then entire rest of the franchise comes down to being passably entertaining mediocrity with moments of brilliance and moments of "what the fuck were they thinking?"

Thinking in terms of "whole seasons" just doesn't work very well. Plus, if there was ever a show to prop for shorter seasons and less fluff, Star Trek would be it.

I think this is most true with DS9. If it's cut down to about 50 episodes, it's actually a pretty good show and watchable, even by today's standards. But it isn't.

 

[Mattadd]

That might be a slight exaggeration. There is a fair amount of fluff in DS9 but I wouldn't cut out more than 30 episodes. Maybe 40 tops.

The rest of the post I tend to agree with though. Well put.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

I would argue season 4 is the way the entire series should have been. Although I did enjoy the whole series, it doesn't make a lot of sense for there to be this huge war that we've never heard of before, with a bunch of species we've never heard of before. It makes a lot more sense as a prequel to show us how things came to be as they would become in the 23rd century. There is some excellent exposition done on the Vulcans and Klingon, and Augments for that matter, in the 4th season.

Do you talk about WWII every day?

 

[Sophie74656]

I think basically every series started weak and ended strong. For me the first seasons of the shows are usually the worst.

 

[Vger23]

I think basically every series started weak and ended strong. For me the first seasons of the shows are usually the worst.

TOS is the outlier here.

 

[Mattadd]

Do you talk about WWII every day?

Not every day but with some regularity. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's highly improbable we wouldn't have heard about such a fairly recent and large scale war. It would be impossible to live in today's world without picking up WWII references on a fairly regular basis.

 

[Vger23]

All go the opposite direction:

TOS Season 1
TOS Season 2
TNG Season 3
ENT Season 4
VOY Season 4

Everything else is a crap shoot.

ETA: I think even that might be too simplistic. I would say even going beyond that, you have TOS1 as the clear stand-out and ENT2 as the biggest turd. But even then, I think there are episodes in TOS1 that are overrated and not so great, and a couple in ENT2 that I quite enjoy.

Then entire rest of the franchise comes down to being passably entertaining mediocrity with moments of brilliance and moments of "what the fuck were they thinking?"

Thinking in terms of "whole seasons" just doesn't work very well. Plus, if there was ever a show to prop for shorter seasons and less fluff, Star Trek would be it.

I think this is most true with DS9. If it's cut down to about 50 episodes, it's actually a pretty good show and watchable, even by today's standards. But it isn't.

I actually think that TOS S2 is very overrated. It was the most formulaic and "static" of the 3 seasons of TOS.

That said, an "overrated" TOS season is still better than most of the other series best seasons...or at least on par.

 

[Mattadd]

I think basically every series started weak and ended strong. For me the first seasons of the shows are usually the worst.

Can't comment on TOS because I haven't seen the whole series but with the other four you are absolutely right. The first season was the worst for all four series.

 

[Hey Missy]

I mostly agree with the above. But can you really say VOY 3 was worse than VOY 2? I mean Threshold. Tuvix. Seska.

There's more individual episodes in S2 that I regard as being Voyager's best such as "Maneuvers", "Prototype", "Meld", and "Dreadnought". In S3 I can only think of "Future's End"... the rest I either dislike or can barely remember due to their plots being so forgettable.

 

[Mattadd]

I guess

There's more individual episodes in S2 that I regard as being Voyager's best such as "Maneuvers", "Prototype", "Meld", and "Dreadnought". In S3 I can only think of "Future's End"... the rest I either dislike or can barely remember due to their plots being so forgettable.

I guess it depends how much you like Torres. I'm not a big fan of her, so while Dreadnaught and Prototype are watchable for me they aren't great. Meld is fantastic, I'm also a big fan of Death Wish. Excellent season 2 episodes. But I counter those with the following fantastic season 3 episodes (in addition to Future's End which you already mentioned): Before and After, Real Life, Distant Origin, Scorpion. Worst Case Scenario had a fantastic concept until they ruined it by putting Seska in. Still it's a fun episode to watch.

 

[Sophie74656]

There's more individual episodes in S2 that I regard as being Voyager's best such as "Maneuvers", "Prototype", "Meld", and "Dreadnought". In S3 I can only think of "Future's End"... the rest I either dislike or can barely remember due to their plots being so forgettable.

I enjoy the overall story line of Protorype a lot, but it would have been so much better if the robots looked better

 

[Sophie74656]

I guess


I guess it depends how much you like Torres. I'm not a big fan of her, so while Dreadnaught and Prototype are watchable for me they aren't great. Meld is fantastic, I'm also a big fan of Death Wish. Excellent season 2 episodes. But I counter those with the following fantastic season 3 episodes (in addition to Future's End which you already mentioned): Before and After, Real Life, Distant Origin, Scorpion. Worst Case Scenario had a fantastic concept until they ruined it by putting Seska in. Still it's a fun episode to watch.

Seska was the best part!!

 

[Mattadd]

Seska has never been the best part of anything.

 

[Vger23]

Seska has never been the best part of anything.

I always felt they should do a spin-off that featured Seska, Wesley Crusher, Neelix, Nog, Lwaxana Troi and Harry Mudd having adventures together.

That'd be dope.

 

[Mattadd]

I actually really liked Nog once they figured out his character in the later seasons, but I get your point.