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496,805 square kilometers of solar panels would power the Earth

The thing is that even though the area would be the size of Spain it couldn't be located in a single location like that because the power would diminish the further out it went down the power lines.
So I think it's more feasible to utilise what we have in certain parts of the world. For many areas solar power is a viable option but for somewhere like the UK it's not and offshore wind power is a much more effective and efficient method of green energy production.
In my opinion the whole of Europe could be powered by north sea wind power, add to that Spanish, Italian and Greek solar power and you've got a green powered Europe right there..
What if we make the solar panels hover. We could build so many that they completely block out the sun (but they would still work because they're solar-powered). And on the bottom of each panel, we could put giant lightbulbs to mimic sunlight. But, of course, to save energy, we would keep the lights turned off when we're not home.
 
The thing is that even though the area would be the size of Spain it couldn't be located in a single location like that because the power would diminish the further out it went down the power lines.
So I think it's more feasible to utilise what we have in certain parts of the world. For many areas solar power is a viable option but for somewhere like the UK it's not and offshore wind power is a much more effective and efficient method of green energy production.
In my opinion the whole of Europe could be powered by north sea wind power, add to that Spanish, Italian and Greek solar power and you've got a green powered Europe right there..
What if we make the solar panels hover. We could build so many that they completely block out the sun (but they would still work because they're solar-powered). And on the bottom of each panel, we could put giant lightbulbs to mimic sunlight. But, of course, to save energy, we would keep the lights turned off when we're not home.

That's crazy.
 
Could we use the thermal wavelengths of sunlight to heat water, and drive a conventional turbine? Say using an array of plane mirrors to focus sunlight onto a collector.

1 square kilometer of land used this way would be able to receive around a 1.21 gigawatts of solar power, which is comparable to coal fired stations.
 
I like this idea.

In Australia we have vast, open spaces that dwarf Spain. We could take care of our own needs and a lot of SE Asia no problem.

If those figures are correct, Spain could certainly power most if not all of Europe. The US has plenty of deserts. Vast swathes of Siberia are empty. And so on. And think about the Sahara...
 
I like this idea.

In Australia we have vast, open spaces that dwarf Spain. We could take care of our own needs and a lot of SE Asia no problem.

If those figures are correct, Spain could certainly power most if not all of Europe. The US has plenty of deserts. Vast swathes of Siberia are empty. And so on. And think about the Sahara...

Those vast open spaces are not empty but are fragile ecosystems teeming with life. I bet if you tried to cover them with solar panels many conservationists would complain.
 
The footprint that we're talking about is huge and would get larger every year as energy needs grew. It doesn't seem feasible. Plus there's the problem of energy storage. It's far better to go with nuclear power. Waste is no longer a problem using the newest breeder reactors in tandem with fuel reprocessing. You get 1/10th the amount of waste and it's only radioactive for a couple of hundred years instead of a few thousand. Al Gore says that we shouldn't use nuclear power because the plants only come in one size, extra-large. Well, jeez, look at the amount of space these things would be taking up, and for wind the footprint is even larger. It doesn't make any sense.
 
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Pft, solar power.. when will people learn?
 
Not practical. Oh don't get me wrong I'm all for "green" energy and all that... but you cover that much land... by the time you are done the energy demand has grown another order of magnitude.

We need scalable solutions not knee-jerk silver-bullets that sound impressive.
 
Not practical. Oh don't get me wrong I'm all for "green" energy and all that... but you cover that much land... by the time you are done the energy demand has grown another order of magnitude.

We need scalable solutions not knee-jerk silver-bullets that sound impressive.
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Correctamundo
 
The footprint that we're talking about is huge and would get larger every year as energy needs grew. It doesn't seem feasible. Plus there's the problem of energy storage. It's far better to go with nuclear power. Waste is no longer a problem using the newest breeder reactors in tandem with fuel reprocessing. You get 1/10th the amount of waste and it's only radioactive for a couple of hundred years instead of a few thousand. Al Gore says that we shouldn't use nuclear power because the plants only come in one size, extra-large. Well, jeez, look at the amount of space these things would be taking up, and for wind the footprint is even larger. It doesn't make any sense.

There is a research project currently going on at Lawrence Livermore that is planning to use dozens of lasers designed to focus on a single hydrogen molecule with the plan of turning it into helium by relatively cold nuclear fusion.

If it works, the fusion reaction will generate a lot more energy than it takes to make the reaction happen. As an effect of the process, it is supposed to give off neutron radiation. The plan is to filter those neutrons through a layer of nuclear waste contained within a layer of the fusion containment vessel. Doing that, it is theorized, will reburn that waste and pull even more usable energy from it and render the waste inert and safe.

So, if the process winds up working as theorized it will make the combination of the neutron reaction with current fission reactors a great source for electrical energy with no toxic waste left behind.

Combine that with the new all electric powered vehicles currently on the production path, like the Tesla Model S for instance. Then we can think about a time where internal combustion engines and the gasoline needed to power them actually becoming a thing of the past for most of the western civilized countries in the very near future.

We would have to upgrade our electrical delivery infrastructure to make this all work. But that is investment within domestic infrastructure and a job maker. Then we could just spend the money we had been spending on foreign oil on personel and maintaining the new power distribution system.

I doubt we could get totally away from petroleum. As we would still need it for our plastic goods as likely well as for our large transport vehicles like planes and trains. But it could change the game enough that we could meet that need with more domestic sources. Thus keeping that circle of commerce for power right here and bolster our own economies. You invest in domestic infrastructure, and everyone prospers domestically.
 
^Great post. I've read about the cold fusion research at Livermore and for the first time, it really does seem feasible. From what I understand, it's not a matter of "if" but "when".

Great points about domestic infrastructure. Upgrading the way we deliver electricity would be a fantastic job creator and the project would pay for itself many times over.

As far as the larger vehicles you are talking about, we could electrify trains, use biodiesel for semi's and other large vehicles and someone pointed out in another thread yesterday, they can now make jet fuel from seawater. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17632-how-to-turn-seawater-into-jet-fuel.html
All it takes is clean source of electricity to do so. Nuclear would seem to perfect for the job.
 
I like this idea.

In Australia we have vast, open spaces that dwarf Spain. We could take care of our own needs and a lot of SE Asia no problem.

If those figures are correct, Spain could certainly power most if not all of Europe. The US has plenty of deserts. Vast swathes of Siberia are empty. And so on. And think about the Sahara...

Those vast open spaces are not empty but are fragile ecosystems teeming with life. I bet if you tried to cover them with solar panels many conservationists would complain.
Meh. I dunno about that. Spread the cells out so they take up small areas separated by corridors. Like an orchard, but the water isn't being absorbed out of the ground, all that's happening is there's some poles in the ground and some shade generated. Of course, that's if it's done carefully.
 
Those vast open spaces are not empty but are fragile ecosystems teeming with life. I bet if you tried to cover them with solar panels many conservationists would complain.
You hit it on the nose. They're already threatening to sue in California.

Sue? Granted, my legal knowledge is not good, so please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I thought you had to have suffered damages yourself to sue? Are they sueing on behalf of the wildlife? :confused:
 
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