4 computer games coming in June

[Lonemagpie]

And being PC I won't be getting it anyhow, as I use laptops now and hate trying to play games with the touchpad. Now if there was a 360 version...

No one will think less of you if you bought a mouse or gamepad.

I've thought about plugging in a mouse - I wouldn't mind replaying some of the PC games I've got, but somehow it just doesn't feel the same as a proper keyboard/mouse combo. Something about where the wrist sits or the angle of it... can't quite put my finger on it.

 

[Classic Fan]

Looking cool.

The likenesses arent too bad either.

Just hope theyre not 'too' kiddie friendly and end up a boring simple historical based game. I know thats the point of them, but, ya know what i mean.

Well find out soon enough.

 

[Count Zero]

Well, judging from the screenshots, they seem to be set in the future rather than the past. I hope they'll be available for non-UKers as well.

 

[Demonland]

Is this some kind of Dalek structure I see in this picture?:

http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/...ies_1/animation/500x_adventure_concept_04.jpg

Looks great. Bit worried that it's free (in terms of gameplay) but will still get it if it's available in Oz (or even if it's not )

 

[wamdue]

on the subject of Cybermen

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including the classic Cybermen

I hope the TV show is going to explain this

 

[Pindar]

including the classic Cybermen

I hope the TV show is going to explain this

What would be the point?

We already saw the head of a Classic Cyberman in Dalek.

 

[wamdue]

including the classic Cybermen

I hope the TV show is going to explain this

What would be the point?

We already saw the head of a Classic Cyberman in Dalek.

even more explaining to do.

Why would a Mondas Cyberman looks almost exactly like a Cybusman?

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Why would a Mondas Cyberman looks almost exactly like a Cybusman?

Because they do.

Cybermen are a race of robotic men with human body parts, a metallic body, a vacant expression, an electronic-sounding voice and handle bars on their heads. Their design is regularly updated, they want to turn you into one of them, and they come from a parallel Earth. Cybermen are Cybermen are Cybermen. There are as many differences between Mondasmen and Cybusmen as there are between different versions of Mondasmen.

 

[wamdue]

Why would a Mondas Cyberman looks almost exactly like a Cybusman?

Because they do.

Cybermen are a race of robotic men with human body parts, a metallic body, a vacant expression, an electronic-sounding voice and handle bars on their heads. Their design is regularly updated, they want to turn you into one of them, and they come from a parallel Earth. Cybermen are Cybermen are Cybermen. There are as many differences between Mondasmen and Cybusmen as there are between different versions of Mondasmen.

that is not really true is it, the two Cyberman designs did not come from the same mind.

The Cybusmen came from the mind of John Lumic, they are based on his vision & his design, his life experience, they are reflective of him, his mind.

The true Cybermen were not created by the John Lumic of this reality, and as such there is no reason why anything they created would just by chance be so similar to his design.

It is like me & someone on another planet in another reality, designing say a car, and expecting the two of us to come up with exactly the same design, just with a different logo on the front.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

that is not really true is it, the two Cyberman designs did not come from the same mind.

The Cybusmen came from the mind of John Lumic, they are based on his vision & his design, his life experience, they are reflective of him, his mind.

The true Cybermen were not created by the John Lumic of this reality, and as such there is no reason why anything they created would just by chance be so similar to his design.

It is like me & someone on another planet in another reality, designing say a car, and expecting the two of us to come up with exactly the same design, just with a different logo on the front.

We're obviously seeing things from two different angles.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but apparently you're seeing it from the perspective of someone who lives in the Doctor Who universe. And from that perspective, the two different brands of Cybermen are not really the same thing, because, well, because they're not. That's pretty much it. They have slightly different origins, so they're not the same guys.

I'm seeing things from the perspective of the audience, and from that angle, there is almost no measurable difference between old and new Cybermen. They're just two manifestations of the same idea.

And please, would you consider stopping it with that "true Cybermen" crap? Come on, "true Cybermen"? They're all Cybermen and they're all fictional. You might like the original Cybermen better, and why not, but there's really no need to hammer that point again and again, I think we've all caught that by now.

 

[David cgc]

Why would a Mondas Cyberman looks almost exactly like a Cybusman?

Same reason why a Mondas Cyberman looks almost nothing like a Mondas Cyberman.

Parallel evolution. No good reason to toss all the existing cybermen costumes. Or, if you really need to fanwank it up, the Mondosian Cybermen found or heard about an alternate universe Cyberman and they decided the casing and armor was pretty cool and adopted it for their next upgrade.

 

[wamdue]

Why would a Mondas Cyberman looks almost exactly like a Cybusman?

Same reason why a Mondas Cyberman looks almost nothing like a Mondas Cyberman.

isnt that just basic evolution of a design, like say a car.

Parallel evolution. No good reason to toss all the existing cybermen costumes. Or, if you really need to fanwank it up, the Mondosian Cybermen found or heard about an alternate universe Cyberman and they decided the casing and armor was pretty cool and adopted it for their next upgrade.

if that is the case, let the show itself explain that too me.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but apparently you're seeing it from the perspective of someone who lives in the Doctor Who universe. And from that perspective, the two different brands of Cybermen are not really the same thing, because, well, because they're not. That's pretty much it. They have slightly different origins, so they're not the same guys.

I guess you could say that is the perspective im viewing it from, and that is the perspective, the Doctor will view it from, and isnt it his (or the companion) will view it from, and are they not the auidences perspective on what is happening around the Doctor.

Unless the design of the Cybermen is guided by some outside force, present in both reality's, there is really no reason why they should end up being the same.

Fine all very well both reality's could lead to a creation similar in theme to the Cybermen, but no reason why those two things would end up looking exactly a like.

Am I really the only one who thinks this?

All that said there is some evidence of a guided design for both Cybermen, the handles on the head for example, no good reason for that to be present on one design let alone both, and there is nothing to suggest Lumic had seen the Mondas Cybermen and stole the idea from them.

 

[Pindar]

if that is the case, let the show itself explain that too me.

Why not go the whole hog and demand an explanation as to why all the sonic screwdrivers are different.

Why wasn't it explained that Davros looks nothing like the way he did last time he was on.

He used to be a head in a jar, where did his body come from when Tennant met him.

None of these things are important and don't need to be explained especially to the cost of actually important story telling.

 

[Mr. Sin]

^The "head in a jar" was actually a robot-the "Real" Davros was behind the scenes (In Revelation of the Daleks). He also gets his hand shot off, which interestingly is referenced in the new series with Davros's mechanical hand.

Unless you mean the Emperor Dalek version of Davros, where the Doctor suggests that Davros has 'discarded elements of his human form'. However we don't 'see' the rest of Davros, so it's possible that he was 'complete' underneath the new shell. It's also possible that it was another robot.

Apart from the "Delete" catchphrase and only converting the brain, the Cybermen actually aren't all that different. They still have controllers, leaders etc. although the Cybermen at least later in their history are a space-faring race with several 'colonies' such as Telos and Planet 14. They also appear to have limited time travel abilities in the later stories. Oh yeah, then there's the gold weakness (Although that's only in the color Cybermen stories).

If the Cyberface is a new design element, I like it. It's very reminiscent of the hieroglyphics in "Tomb of the Cybermen" (A story which Matt Smith raved about).

 

[The Sonic Mole]

None of these things are important and don't need to be explained especially to the cost of actually important story telling.

Totally agree. One of the things that has traditionally made Who a success is that continuity and other such minutiae has always played second fiddle to quality story telling. Just ask Bob Holmes.

 

[Pindar]

^The "head in a jar" was actually a robot-the "Real" Davros was behind the scenes (In Revelation of the Daleks). He also gets his hand shot off, which interestingly is referenced in the new series with Davros's mechanical hand.

Id forgotten that, good point, but there is still no need for pointless in show explanations.

 

[wamdue]

if that is the case, let the show itself explain that too me.

Why not go the whole hog and demand an explanation as to why all the sonic screwdrivers are different.

Why wasn't it explained that Davros looks nothing like the way he did last time he was on.

He used to be a head in a jar, where did his body come from when Tennant met him.

None of these things are important and don't need to be explained especially to the cost of actually important story telling.

well I see the Davros thing has been explained.

as for the sonic screwdrivers looking different, well non sonic screwdrivers look different, beside im not asking why something looks different im asking why something looks the same, despite the two things having nothing in common, other than a name and a vague idea.

From what I can tell the original Cybermen,were people with bits added to make them better, the Cybus men are little more than brains in a metal suit.

 

[Mr. Sin]

^Yeah, that's kind of it. We see several half-Cybermen throughout the classic series-the first Cybermen had organic hands, characters such as Vaughn, Toberman and Lyyton were shown in the process of conversion....Silver Nemesis also had those guys with the headphones that the Doctor said "were no longer human beings". So far in the new series, we've had mainly the 'brain' Cybermen, with the exception of Lisa in Torchwood.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

None of these things are important and don't need to be explained especially to the cost of actually important story telling.

Totally agree. One of the things that has traditionally made Who a success is that continuity and other such minutiae has always played second fiddle to quality story telling. Just ask Bob Holmes.

Who needs quality story telling when we can have fanwanky explanations for things we know have mundane real world reasons and could easily suspend disbelief for?

 

[wamdue]

So far in the new series, we've had mainly the 'brain' Cybermen, with the exception of Lisa in Torchwood.

they even explain that they even started to rush upgrade humans towards of the end, hence Lisa was probaly more like an original Cyberman, than the previous Cybusmen.