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Photon

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Of what we know of S31, was Sloan the leader or "admiral" or were the leaders hidden and Sloan was the doer of their commands?

Another Q for speculation: Valeris & Cartwright....earlier 31 members. Both seem to have all the characteristics needed.
 
I think 31 was part of star fleet and they have their grand meeting in the basement of Joes Beer and Wine in Chicago.
 
Photon said:
Of what we know of S31, was Sloan the leader or "admiral" or were the leaders hidden and Sloan was the doer of their commands?
I've always had the impression that Sloan was more of a field commander. He was too hands-on to be the leader of the organization. You don't send your leader to do jobs that regular operatives could have handled.
Another Q for speculation: Valeris & Cartwright....earlier 31 members. Both seem to have all the characteristics needed.
Section 31 had little reason to derail peace negotiations. They would have known that a war with the Klingons would have left the Federation unable to defend against the Romulans. Heck, they probably would have blown up Praxis themselves if they had known how great an advantage it would give the Federation at the diplomatic table. Then again, maybe they DID blow up Praxis.
 
I think Cartwright definetly was a member of 31, prime candidate for membership, Captain and dislike of aliens. I doubt they would have recruited Valeris though
 
Why, if they are trying to keep a low profile, do they wear those sinster black outfits that just scream out "look at me! look!"

Not much evidence of any fieldcraft...
 
and although the concept of S31 wasn't created yet, I consider Pressman to have been in their service as well. This was kinda hinted at in TATV when Riker said he was under orders from "a secret group in Starfleet security".
 
JoeZhang said:
Why, if they are trying to keep a low profile, do they wear those sinster black outfits that just scream out "look at me! look!"

Not much evidence of any fieldcraft...

Well, I think the idea is that they only wear those uniforms around folks who know of their existence...
 
mythme said:
and although the concept of S31 wasn't created yet, I consider Pressman to have been in their service as well. This was kinda hinted at in TATV when Riker said he was under orders from "a secret group in Starfleet security".

Plus they specifically mention the Head of Starfleet Security in the episode too. I think that he's been listed as being in 31 in Trek's EU.
 
AdmiralGarak said:
Section 31 had little reason to derail peace negotiations. They would have known that a war with the Klingons would have left the Federation unable to defend against the Romulans. Heck, they probably would have blown up Praxis themselves if they had known how great an advantage it would give the Federation at the diplomatic table. Then again, maybe they DID blow up Praxis.
Wouldn't Section 31 have tried to stop Valeris and Co. as well?

If they knew war wouldn't be good I have a hard time believing they would just sit back and let a small faction in the Federation wage galactic war.
 
Sci said:
JoeZhang said:
Why, if they are trying to keep a low profile, do they wear those sinster black outfits that just scream out "look at me! look!"

Not much evidence of any fieldcraft...

Well, I think the idea is that they only wear those uniforms around folks who know of their existence...

and then strip down to a g-string when they leave the room?
 
JoeZhang said:
Sci said:
JoeZhang said:
Why, if they are trying to keep a low profile, do they wear those sinster black outfits that just scream out "look at me! look!"

Not much evidence of any fieldcraft...

Well, I think the idea is that they only wear those uniforms around folks who know of their existence...

and then strip down to a g-string when they leave the room?

Obviously. What, didn't you know they're actually the institutional descendents of Studio 64?
 
Toward the end of the series DS9 left me with the impression that Sloan was in charge of S31. If that was true I think it was kind of reckless of Sloan to do field duty.

imo S31 had to have some kind of an official oversight committee that more or less acted as its conscience and approved missions as being in the best interests of SF and the Federation.

The S31 arc was really vague on 31's table of organization and elements and that added to its mystery. But from our past experience with power, kingpins, dictators ect. we can deduce that no one person was it's the sole guiding light and answerable to no one.
 
Sci said:
JoeZhang said:
Sci said:
JoeZhang said:
Why, if they are trying to keep a low profile, do they wear those sinster black outfits that just scream out "look at me! look!"

Not much evidence of any fieldcraft...

Well, I think the idea is that they only wear those uniforms around folks who know of their existence...

and then strip down to a g-string when they leave the room?

Obviously. What, didn't you know they're actually the institutional descendents of Studio 64?

Studio 54
 
adv1701 said:
Sci said:
Obviously. What, didn't you know they're actually the institutional descendents of Studio 64?

Studio 54

Or 47. Whichever. ;)

anti-matter said:
Toward the end of the series DS9 left me with the impression that Sloan was in charge of S31. If that was true I think it was kind of reckless of Sloan to do field duty.

I don't think that impression was supposed to be that Sloan was in charge of Section 31. Certainly, he was high enough in the organization to have more information on its activities than the average 31 agent, as indicated by "Extreme Measures," but there was no indication that he was the head honcho.

imo S31 had to have some kind of an official oversight committee that more or less acted as its conscience and approved missions as being in the best interests of SF and the Federation.

Erm, no. "Inquisition," "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges," and "Extreme Measures" made it very clear that Section 31 is an autonomous agency that answers to no one. That's the entire point -- that they're a rogue, lawless agency that cannot be trusted to do what is right or what is in the best interests of the Federation.

But from our past experience with power, kingpins, dictators ect. we can deduce that no one person was it's the sole guiding light and answerable to no one.

Hardly. The entire point with Section 31 is that they're the sort of agency that is normally only found in autocracies and dictatorships -- that they are an aborration in a constitutional liberal democractic system that needs to be dismantled before they endanger constitutional liberal democracy itself. They're the Serpent in Eden, the evil that exists within good. They're not working for the best -- they're working for themselves.
 
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