30 LAPD Officers Gun Down Man In Middle Of Freeway...

[SPOCKED]

Someone's getting wound up here, but I'm not sure exactly who......

me

 

[wew]

Is this the actual story:

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=6475761

The only other knife incident resulting in a shooting I read about was after a long chase.

 

[Rii]

I have several good friends who are police officers.. they are more afraid of "Internal Investigations" than they are of the criminals.. Every time a firearm is discharged in the line of duty, they are automatically investigated by these "Unrealistic, By the Book, Rule-Bound Nazis!" (in one's words) and if any actual mistake was made or departmental rule not followed TO THE LETTER..they stand NO chance of advancement.. depending upon the severity of the issue, they sometimes will be discharged from the force and in extreme cases, they can be prosecuted and jailed.

Amazing. It's almost as if police officers are being held to the same standard as ordinary civilians, for whom killing someone actually tends to be a big deal creating all kinds of hassles.

But perhaps it's unrealistic to apply such standards to the running gun battle which is apparently life in the United States.

 

[Tawny18]

Never bring a knife to a gunfight! duh

 

[Lonemagpie]

Never bring a knife to a gunfight! duh

Unless you're this guy:

 

[scotpens]

I have several good friends who are police officers.. they are more afraid of “Internal Investigations” than they are of the criminals.. Every time a firearm is discharged in the line of duty, they are automatically investigated. . .

Amazing. It's almost as if police officers are being held to the same standard as ordinary civilians, for whom killing someone actually tends to be a big deal creating all kinds of hassles.

Note the text emphasized. That's EVERY time an officer discharges his or her weapon in the line of duty, not just when someone gets killed. In fact, police officers are held to a higher standard than civilians, as they should be.

 

[Rii]

Note the text emphasized. That's EVERY time an officer discharges his or her weapon in the line of duty, not just when someone gets killed. In fact, police officers are held to a higher standard than civilians, as they should be.

Again, there is something seriously fucking wrong with your country if a police officer discharging his firearm is anything but an extraordinary occurrence. That it should be treated as such is only proper.

[Officer kills someone]
Officer: Great, think about all the paperwork I'm gonna have to fill out now.

Jesus.

 

[gturner]

And yet that paperwork gives us vital insights.

For example, New York City has 36,000 police officers.

In 2006 they fired 540 bullets. This includes bullets fired at dogs, usually pit bulls, which they hit 55% of the time. They fired at people 60 times, with an average of 3.6 bullets per incident, and killed 13 people, with an overall hit ratio of 34%.

NY Times link

So the average New York cop kills someone once every 2,769 years.

 

[scotpens]

^ I'd say that qualifies as an extraordinary occurrence.

 

[Rii]

mmm, sexy stats.

Ownership of aggressive dog breeds should be far more highly regulated than it is now.

So the average New York cop kills someone once every 2,769 years.

I wonder what sort of retirement package they get at that point.

^ I'd say that qualifies as an extraordinary occurrence.

And so the problem with treating it as such by investigating each incident is... ?

 

[gturner]

There's not a problem with investigating each incident. In each incident there are many layers of investigation, from each officer explaining what he did and why to several levels of his superiors, to investigators, to crime scene or shooting scene analysts, to defense lawyers, to prosecutors, etc. Those people then bounce things back and forth between each other and the press. It's a big, involved process.

But for the sake of TV shows we pretend each cop gets in a couple shoot outs a season, if not a couple per episode (I'm looking at you, T.J. Hooker!), and for that to work as a plot device the officer just has to fill out a standarized "Shot __ Perps at ______" form.

 

[ares93]

And yet that paperwork gives us vital insights.

For example, New York City has 36,000 police officers.

In 2006 they fired 540 bullets. This includes bullets fired at dogs, usually pit bulls, which they hit 55% of the time. They fired at people 60 times, with an average of 3.6 bullets per incident, and killed 13 people, with an overall hit ratio of 34%.

NY Times link

So the average New York cop kills someone once every 2,769 years.

not bad... but i guess its not that strange. where i live only three cops have fire their weapons in the last 30 years. so i'm supposed to live in a calm and crime free area.
but i guess beating the crap out of teenagers with batons because the looked at you the wrong way doesn't really count... only the guns.

 

[gturner]

^ That's just good parenting.

 

[K'riq Sa]

And yet that paperwork gives us vital insights.

For example, New York City has 36,000 police officers.

In 2006 they fired 540 bullets. This includes bullets fired at dogs, usually pit bulls, which they hit 55% of the time. They fired at people 60 times, with an average of 3.6 bullets per incident, and killed 13 people, with an overall hit ratio of 34%.

NY Times link

So the average New York cop kills someone once every 2,769 years.

Not to pee in yous guys pool, but i don't think you've been reading this thread. It clearly states in the other article that NY has had a Provincial Police Force since 1992, and in case you still don't understand, they don't carry guns. This is just what i'm saying, it works people, it really works. Give a person respect, and you get respect.

It just so happens I was pulled over today by the LAPD after returning equipment for an interview shoot with Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and it did end on a happy note we didn't get shot. They claimed the driver was on the phone, and i didn't have my seatbelt on. These were both blatant lies, and they told them to our faces like they were actual facts.

First, my friend who was driving, needed to make a call, he has ADD, so he pulled over to a complete stop, made his call, and we continued further down a block, made a legal lefthand u-turn from a left hand turn lane, at a green light, and was about to park 1/2 block down, my friend said, through his rear view mirror, he actually saw them pull out into "their" oncoming traffic, from behind another car, almost colliding with oncoming traffic, then making a righthand turn in front of the car that they had just pulled from behind, almost hitting oncoming traffic as they did that was going in the same direction we were, before pulling us over. Two officers got out, with hands on their weapons, and asked for both our id's. Papers in order, they let us go. Now mind you I am a seatbelt freak to the nth degree, i insist that everyone in the car is belted before the car moves, not for the law, but because it may be the difference between being carried away, and walking away from an accident. (i digress) when they had gotton our id's, i asked why they pulled us over, and he exclaimed. "Your homey there, was yakking on his cellphone, and your seatbelt was not on". What do you think i said to him?....







k'riq

 

[Pingfah]

And yet that paperwork gives us vital insights.

For example, New York City has 36,000 police officers.

In 2006 they fired 540 bullets. This includes bullets fired at dogs, usually pit bulls, which they hit 55% of the time. They fired at people 60 times, with an average of 3.6 bullets per incident, and killed 13 people, with an overall hit ratio of 34%.

NY Times link

So the average New York cop kills someone once every 2,769 years.

Not to pee in yous guys pool, but i don't think you've been reading this thread. It clearly states in the other article that NY has had a Provincial Police Force since 1992, and in case you still don't understand, they don't carry guns. This is just what i'm saying, it works people, it really works. Give a person respect, and you get respect.

The same article also states that it is only the Auxiliary Police Force that doesn't carry guns, and that the Auxiliary Police Force only makes up 4500 of the total force, which is less than 13% going by the other figures posted here. So it's not the fact that the Auxiliary force is not armed that is the reason for the low number of shots fired by New York police.

Furthermore, the article is about two of these unarmed officers being shot.

 

[ares93]

^ That's just good parenting.

no thats called racist sons of bitches... but that my opinion.

 

[Lonemagpie]

, i asked why they pulled us over, and he exclaimed. "Your homey there, was yakking on his cellphone, and your seatbelt was not on". What do you think i said to him?....

Um, "you'll never take me alive, pig! Top of the world, Ma! Now the get the fuck out of my fucking face you soulless minion of orthodoxy!"?