2ft E-D model
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The E-D's lights aren't blinking in this shot. I think it's a static background render lol.
WOW! That's the two-Footer huh? It looks great. Very nice and clean, Althou the ''signal'' lights are much bigger and more noticable.Here is a 2 footer shot from Pen Pals. Doesn't look all that bad here. You can see the low detail navigational deflector.
Then how come they couldnt duplacate the ''shape'' of the 6-ft?Would it have really been ''That'' difficult?
Well, I know they wanted to change the saucer edge to match the Ten-Forward set, because the internal layout of the ship was essentially changed by the way they designed the set. As for the rest? Who knows. Maybe they thought no one would notice? Maybe it was that difficult.
Perhaps Mr. Sternbach or Mr. Okuda know...
Hey, Mr.Sterbach, Mr. Okuda, were or you when we need you!
That is indeed the 2-footer, it was used in that shot for the simple fact that they could withdraw the camera far enough away to make it appear tiny against the Spacedock footage (recycled from Star Trek III). Same concept as in the opening--the final shot ends on the 2-footer (the 6-footer is what flies in under the frame, but right as the engines engage it quickly dissolves to the 2-footer) because its small scale allows the producers to pull the camera far enough back to make it look small.
Even if the result in 11001001 is to make Spacedock look vastly upscaled...
Even if the result in 11001001 is to make Spacedock look vastly upscaled...
kitsune
Captain
I always thought the Spacedock model was impractically large and ugly, but despite this, the docking sequences in Star Trek III and 11001001 are among my favorite ship scenes.
The model in question was indeed the four-footer, which interestingly was the one that was modified for "All Good Things." Greg Jein made that model at the start of production for season 2, with an enlarged saucer rim to accommodate the new Ten Forward set. This model was, as you've all pointed out, also famous for its increased hull detail, as well as having the most "plastic" hull texture of all the Enterprise-D models.
I never liked this model all that much. The idea that a ship twice the size of a present day aircraft carrier would have such an uneven surface just didn't make sense to me. How bad were the engineers that they couldn't make the panels line up?
Give me the 6-footer any day.
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kitsune
Captain
The 6-footer will always be the best. But I don't like how they "improved" it for GEN... it looked way better as it was.
I think that how good the 4 footer looks depends a lot on how they shoot it. If the lighting sets off the heavy hull detail, it looks rather ugly. But it can also look great at a distance or in darker shots.
It's when they light it up well and get too close that things usually get kinda poor. But you also have to admit that they were able to do more with the 4 ft model than with the 6 footer. Which was the plan all along. Although I suppose they didn't need to do the lumpyness.
It's occurred to me now that I don't think the 4 footer ever goes to warp. They need the 2ft model for the "warp stretch".
It's when they light it up well and get too close that things usually get kinda poor. But you also have to admit that they were able to do more with the 4 ft model than with the 6 footer. Which was the plan all along. Although I suppose they didn't need to do the lumpyness.
It's occurred to me now that I don't think the 4 footer ever goes to warp. They need the 2ft model for the "warp stretch".
I've honestly never noticed the 'greebles' before. By the way, have a look here at John Eaves blog for photos in the crate post-Generations. The greebles stand out A LOT. I honestly think I prefer the more subtle 'Generations' paint job, since the original got color-corrected anyway.
I would generally agree accept for the notion of the four footer being 'the plan all along.' I think the decision to build the four-footer was something that was not originally planned.
Thanks but I´ve already seen those (good thing his and Doug Drexler´s blog both use software which allows quick notification through RSS feeds).
Models often have to undergo a redress/refit if you want to use them on higher resolution shots than what they were intended for. Another example is how Gabe Koerner added more and better details to Foundation Imaging´s TV model of Voyager so she could be used for the ride (IIRC it´s the one they had in Vegas).
The six footer is a typical example for ILM work. They´ve been planning one step ahead and built a model that was even suited for the big screen. IMHO the four footer was more or less born out of necessity because it was easier to shoot a smaller model. I´ve got no idea why it´s not closer to the original (superior) version but it can´t be changed anymore anyway.
Models often have to undergo a redress/refit if you want to use them on higher resolution shots than what they were intended for. Another example is how Gabe Koerner added more and better details to Foundation Imaging´s TV model of Voyager so she could be used for the ride (IIRC it´s the one they had in Vegas).
The six footer is a typical example for ILM work. They´ve been planning one step ahead and built a model that was even suited for the big screen. IMHO the four footer was more or less born out of necessity because it was easier to shoot a smaller model. I´ve got no idea why it´s not closer to the original (superior) version but it can´t be changed anymore anyway.
kitsune
Captain
A Galaxy-class 1701-E? Cool!
