24: Day 8 11:00AM - 12:00PM - Discussion and Spoilers.
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From the linked article:
If I knew about the Prez what Jack knows, I'd conclude that she's a total frakkin' IDIOT who needs to be defied, then impeached, and also probably assassinated.
There are situations where it's okay to defy the chain of command for the greater good. This is definitely one of those situations.
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From the linked article:
Very appropriate facepalm. I may have even upped it to:
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I mean seriously?!
Seriously fucking 24 EPs and writers?
Are you fucking kidding me?!
Christ, as much as I love this show, maybe it's a good thing it got canceled. If they just stuck this character in there and "had no idea what to do with her" (Gee?! Really?! We totally couldn't tell from this side of things!) And then they just think it's totally great to make her a mole?! Even though making her the mole completely contradicted everything she'd done already.
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Oh and "people love to hate her and they didn't know why."
Talk about a dis-connect with your audience.
We knew why we hated her! And we didn't love to hate her like we did Nina or Sherry Palmer.
We hated her because her plot was stupid and ridiculous and had nothing to do with the main plot and it virutally took over the show! While Jack Bauer the awesome the show was made of is driving around and speaking with a bad German accent for several episodes we were focusing on her and stupid issues with her redneck boyfriend and we didn't care about it! ARGHHH! That's why we hated her! The show was becoming about her and her plot was stupid! ARGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH
Seriously fucking 24 EPs and writers?
Are you fucking kidding me?!
Christ, as much as I love this show, maybe it's a good thing it got canceled. If they just stuck this character in there and "had no idea what to do with her" (Gee?! Really?! We totally couldn't tell from this side of things!) And then they just think it's totally great to make her a mole?! Even though making her the mole completely contradicted everything she'd done already.
ARRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Oh and "people love to hate her and they didn't know why."
Talk about a dis-connect with your audience.
We knew why we hated her! And we didn't love to hate her like we did Nina or Sherry Palmer.
We hated her because her plot was stupid and ridiculous and had nothing to do with the main plot and it virutally took over the show! While Jack Bauer the awesome the show was made of is driving around and speaking with a bad German accent for several episodes we were focusing on her and stupid issues with her redneck boyfriend and we didn't care about it! ARGHHH! That's why we hated her! The show was becoming about her and her plot was stupid! ARGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH
Jack executes people all the time.
Drazen the Elder
Pedo Prisoner
Nina
Palmer's Assassin
Henderson
There's more, obviously, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
And he shoots the shit out of badguys when necessary. He's killed hundreds of guys on this show. Jack kills people and ruins their shit. That's given. Even though I wanted him to just slaughter all the private security guys beginning to end, it wasn't unreasonable of him to start with subduing the first two, distracting the others, and then being forced to resort to kill shots when up against it. Fuck those guys.
As for Dana, the moment she nearly fucked everything up again, maybe killed Cole and definitely shot a random civilian dead in the street, Jack was greenlit on putting her down. I don't think he was going to execute her until she pulled her character shift from spy weasel to cold assassin again. Not really. But she just proved she was another Nina Meyers and there was nothing left to do. Fuck her.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Excellent (with bonus points for finally killing Dana the Drama Blackhole)
Now on to the blow-torch. Fuck Pavel.
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As for the EP's Dana is a Mole plotline idea, the fact that anyone who's watched the show before would hate it and anyone with half a brain could think of any number of better secret backgrounds for someone on 24, makes this one of the biggest head-in-ass moves the showrunners have made with the series.
Moles were stupid the second time. They should never have been allowed to become a cliche. The mole as secret good guy should have been the last time a mole plot was used. Period.
Drazen the Elder
Pedo Prisoner
Nina
Palmer's Assassin
Henderson
There's more, obviously, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
And he shoots the shit out of badguys when necessary. He's killed hundreds of guys on this show. Jack kills people and ruins their shit. That's given. Even though I wanted him to just slaughter all the private security guys beginning to end, it wasn't unreasonable of him to start with subduing the first two, distracting the others, and then being forced to resort to kill shots when up against it. Fuck those guys.
As for Dana, the moment she nearly fucked everything up again, maybe killed Cole and definitely shot a random civilian dead in the street, Jack was greenlit on putting her down. I don't think he was going to execute her until she pulled her character shift from spy weasel to cold assassin again. Not really. But she just proved she was another Nina Meyers and there was nothing left to do. Fuck her.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Excellent (with bonus points for finally killing Dana the Drama Blackhole)
Now on to the blow-torch. Fuck Pavel.
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As for the EP's Dana is a Mole plotline idea, the fact that anyone who's watched the show before would hate it and anyone with half a brain could think of any number of better secret backgrounds for someone on 24, makes this one of the biggest head-in-ass moves the showrunners have made with the series.
Moles were stupid the second time. They should never have been allowed to become a cliche. The mole as secret good guy should have been the last time a mole plot was used. Period.
Sakes alive after reading that about the producers, I'm tempted to say screw it, I don't want to know how it ends. If they don't care, I don't care. But I'll still end up watching it.
[Fan of 24 knine] has an idea too: Plan each season of a show like this out BEFORE you start filming. Have a beginning. Have an end. Have a middle. Know who each character is. Don't just improvise as you go along so it turns into this big epic WTF.
Fans were really excited when they heard Starbuck was going to be on 24. How could it go wrong?!?! This is how.
Possibly. After some careful thought on all the pros and cons.
As for "people didn't know why they hated" Dana? B*tch, please!
I can't explain it any better myself.
Jack's making the right call to buck the president. She knows all the facts and has decided to obstruct justice and cover up another country's crimes against the U.S. Like Ethan said, it's an impeachable offense.
If I knew about the Prez what Jack knows, I'd conclude that she's a total frakkin' IDIOT who needs to be defied, then impeached, and also probably assassinated.
There are situations where it's okay to defy the chain of command for the greater good. This is definitely one of those situations.
Actually, no it isn't, and why is it? Because it's Jack? Bullshit. Just a few episodes ago, he was killing people that felt they were making the right decision that president didn't make. Plain and simple, he wants to kill the people that killed Rene, not a bad thing mind you, but don't pretend there's a moral high ground because everyone else saw that he was plain, pure and simple, out for revenge. Did the president make the right decision? Probably not, but none-the-less, it's not Jack's decision whether or not it's the right one, or whether or not it should be obeyed.
In any case...lame. I'd think with a show like 24, given it's premise, it wouldn't have been made up as they go. What the fuck is the problem with a little pre-planning? Seriously? If FOX execs had an issue with planning ahead for one reason or another, then the fat cats in the offices need to come to the writers room and help write the series. Secondly...if I couldn't write for a char, they'd get dropped within a few episodes (if used at all). I seriously try to have ideas about characters when I go into something. It's pretty obvious that this wasn't figured out, none of the twists behind the character mesh out, I mean...if shes really that kind of a stone cold killer, why did she have such a hard time with her trash ex? Bah.
I guess I expect to much out of my programing.
There was nothing credible at about Katie as a villain. Nothing. It contradicting evertything about her. She played it well, sure, I guess but it's undercut by being completely -by the writers' own admission- out of the blue.
I'm very surprised that they don't have a map planned out at the beginning of the season. That really upsets me, but I really disliked that character, so I'm glad to see that she died, especially at Jack's hand.
I really found that episode entertaining though, it's really ramping up at the end.
I really found that episode entertaining though, it's really ramping up at the end.
You see, I put the early part of the season aside and just took the character from the moment she was revealed as the mole.
My praise is for Sackhoff, not the writers. Those idiots screwed up baaaaaad, but then nothing about this surprises me after the White House incident last season.
The sad truth is that if Dana had kept Kevin happy early on and then killed him her storyline would have been fine.
Exactly. Nothing made sense in the beginning. About five minutes after she's introduced, she's cowering in fear over Redneck DiCaprio's phone calls. She calls a woman that we never see again, whom I assume was supposed to be her sister, and it worried that she's been found out. Then she acts all terrified and does everything Redneck DiCaprio says.
This is completely undercut when she reveals herself to be a Russian-trained mole who kills people without even thinking and actually planted a bomb in her safe deposit box if she were ever found out. If she were so badass from the beginning, she would have either arranged for the Redneck Twins to be killed or intentionally lured them into a false sense of security. But why didn't she do that? Because the writers had no fucking clue what she was! So instead, they started her off with a horrible storyline and made it ludicrous with the mole reveal.
It's bad enough they have to make CTU look like a bunch of morons who are constantly outwitted and outplayed by the terrorists. But it got ten times worse when they have Redneck DiCaprio, an ex-con whose idea of high tech was a crowbar, find her out. The writers decided to make Dana a Russian-trained killer and mole who could slip through every government radar. But apparently, a stupid redneck could find her. Way to go, writers!
This is completely undercut when she reveals herself to be a Russian-trained mole who kills people without even thinking and actually planted a bomb in her safe deposit box if she were ever found out. If she were so badass from the beginning, she would have either arranged for the Redneck Twins to be killed or intentionally lured them into a false sense of security. But why didn't she do that? Because the writers had no fucking clue what she was! So instead, they started her off with a horrible storyline and made it ludicrous with the mole reveal.
It's bad enough they have to make CTU look like a bunch of morons who are constantly outwitted and outplayed by the terrorists. But it got ten times worse when they have Redneck DiCaprio, an ex-con whose idea of high tech was a crowbar, find her out. The writers decided to make Dana a Russian-trained killer and mole who could slip through every government radar. But apparently, a stupid redneck could find her. Way to go, writers!
Just popping in to say:
What?!?
WHAT?!?!?
Oh thank god I ducked out of this season when I did. What were the writers smoking?
What?
What?!?
WHAT?!?!?
Oh thank god I ducked out of this season when I did. What were the writers smoking?
I suppose I can agree to that, I think calling for an apology is a bit...much, but calling for them to admit they pretty much hacked eyed the story because they didn't plan ahead? Yeah, sure, because it makes no sense what so ever with how things played out. As DarthPipes said, this chick in the recent episodes became a stone cold assassin with a dead aim, killing unarmed civilians without the slightest hesitation.
I mean...is it wrong to just...consider some ideas for a character when you create them?
I mean...is it wrong to just...consider some ideas for a character when you create them?
Reading it all written out like this makes it sound even more ridiculous than my vague remembrances of how it happened. GG 24 writers, GG.