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Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by woodstock, Aug 28, 2015.

  1. Hela

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    Gonna be honest, I didn't even check the little gender symbol. I think I'm used to a lot of people not having them at all. Also, notice I said 'a few'. Unfortunately, you not liking it and complaining about it on the Internet is not enough to make out it's a scandal.

    If you're claiming that we can't use EU material to prove that the Nu-Trek is a branched timeline and won't 'end' the prime-verse novels, then you sure as hell cant use the novelisation to prove anything. TNG established Trek supernovas can wipe out interstellar empires, so there's no problem with just taking on-screen Spock at his word.

    If you're taking the novelization as canon, then you have nothing to worry about - the Prime-verse in the novels will simply go on without a Romulus or a Spock.

    Finally - even if Pocket does decide to end the Prime-timeline, everything will still be really simple. Readers will just have to:

    1.Stop reading

    Or

    2.Cope
     
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  2. Brefugee

    Brefugee Living the Irish dream. Premium Member

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    I managed to miss that. I shall not be replying to that tangent again.

    I think it would be rather interesting that in some later book, Hobus is mentioned in the context that it went "pop," took Romulus and the like with it and nothing else was mentioned for a while.

    I'm sure I read somewhere that Cold Equations was at one point going to be the end of Pockets licence and even the end of the Lit-Verse.

    Plus, I'm sure all the books will still be here if it ends, unless of course Amazons data centre gets destroyed for all the Kindle readers.
     
  3. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Star Trek Nemesis was a widely panned flop, but it had a huge effect on the novelverse - it introduced the Remans, married Riker and Troi, moved them onto the USS Titan and more. Why would those changes from an unpopular film be acceptable, and the ones from Star Trek be not? Breaking up the TNG crew is at least as big a deal as destroying Romulus is.
     
  4. Idran

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    Really? Oh, huh; I'd never heard that, but given the scope of the Machine, in hindsight I can see that potentiality. Was that just a rumor, or what?
     
  5. Paris

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    I believe David Mack actually mentioned this at one point. I'm not sure which thread it was in though...
     
  6. Defcon

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    Is this the post you mean:

     
  7. Ronald Held

    Ronald Held Vice Admiral Admiral

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    So when are we seeing books in 2387 with events leading up to the Hobus SS supernova?
     
  8. JD

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    I hope this post is OK, because this was really bugging me.
    Why can't things change? Just because things were done one way in the past doesn't mean they can't be done differently now, especially if it's based off of constantly changing real world physics and theories. I'm pretty sure there are old episodes and books that refer to Pluto as a planet. There's plenty of stuff purely in universe that has changed with time too. Should Spock still only be called a Vulcanian, should Starfleet only represent Earth, should the Borg only be interested in technology with no interest in people and have babies?
     
  9. BillJ

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    +1

    Life is change.
     
  10. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    Yes. There's a long history of science fiction series in prose changing their continuity and ground rules to reflect real scientific advances. It's the prerogative of any long-running series to change the parts that don't work in retrospect. After all, it's fiction, not a documentary. It's all just pretend to begin with, so it's easy enough to pretend that an earlier part happened differently than you pretended it did the first time.
     
  11. Idran

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    Not for a long while, because the books aren't allowed to reference the 2009 movie under current licensing agreements. That's why they've been slowing down chronologically in-setting.
     
  12. JoeZhang

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    Or simply that an existing earlier hypothesis was incorrect... like em.. science.

    Because on-screen how much time-travel did we ever see? Even if was 100 that is a tiny data-set with such a complex area.
     
  13. BobtheGunslinge

    BobtheGunslinge Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Can they get around it by forcusing on ships exploring outside the immediate vicinity of the Federation?
     
  14. Idran

    Idran Commodore Commodore

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    Oh, they don't even need to go that far: They could get around it by just not mentioning Romulus or Spock or whatever-they-end-up-calling-Hobus. They're just choosing to stave off 2387 for now instead.
     
  15. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Just to be clear, there's no rule saying they're not allowed to do anything in the year 2387, they're just not allowed to reference the destruction of Romulus. Pocket is just choosing to hold off on getting to 2387 at the moment as they consider their options on what they can do in 2387 and hope the longer they wait, the restrictions regarding Romulus may eventually be lifted.
     
  16. Paris

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    Yup. That's the one :techman:
     
  17. Squiggy

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    Nope.

    They're alternate timelines. Not replacement timelines.

    Trek-prime still goes on. They rebuild the Romulan Empire, but Spock got sucked into a black hole. Kirk was born in Iowa. His dad lived. Vulcan wasn't destroyed. The timeline is intact.

    Nu-Trek also goes on parallel (see: Parallels) to Trek-prime.


    Or fuck it. Maybe it did erase it. Who cares? We weren't ever going to see it again and the novels never were considered canon anyway.
     
  18. Hartzilla2007

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    Which is probably for the best seeing as if they keep going through the years quickly eventually they get to a point where they have to decide if the main characters from the TV shows start to get phased out due to old age.
     
  19. trampledamage

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    Moving on please...

    It must be possible to discuss the possiblities of what's going to happen in the books without arguing about whether the movies were right or not.
     
  20. The Wormhole

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    Will they? As of the 2380s a lot of people seen during TOS are still alive and active in some manner. In fact, the only TOS character killed so far in the novels was actually left vague with an out hinted at in that novel.