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23 years is the unofficial size of a generation.
Just wanted to make sure everyone in here felt appropriately old.
Just wanted to make sure everyone in here felt appropriately old.
23 years. Wow. Seems like yesterday I was excited to see the new ship revealed in the 25 year anniversary Art of Trek book; the one with the long nacelles hung beneath the supports like an inverted excelsior.
The only way to watch was to buy the VHS as they were released, and envious of a friend with every TNG episode on two two shelves on his bedroom wall, I decided to make a similar investment.
Can’t remember if it was the meh stories or the increasing importance of fags (UK) and booze, but I stopped buying at The 37s. A (spoilers) human civilisation in the delta quadrant, a ship from Earth that will never pass that way again, and not a bean of interest from the locals. You’d think at least a small crowd would gather for the launch.
But any way. Twenty three years. I thought TOS was ancient, it celebrated its 25th anniversary just as I began identifying as a Trekkie. Ouch.
The only way to watch was to buy the VHS as they were released, and envious of a friend with every TNG episode on two two shelves on his bedroom wall, I decided to make a similar investment.
Can’t remember if it was the meh stories or the increasing importance of fags (UK) and booze, but I stopped buying at The 37s. A (spoilers) human civilisation in the delta quadrant, a ship from Earth that will never pass that way again, and not a bean of interest from the locals. You’d think at least a small crowd would gather for the launch.
But any way. Twenty three years. I thought TOS was ancient, it celebrated its 25th anniversary just as I began identifying as a Trekkie. Ouch.
23 years is the unofficial size of a generation.
Just wanted to make sure everyone in here felt appropriately old.
I watched TOS on NBC. This cannot faze me.
One of the ways I measure how much I like a show or movie is if any fanfic ideas occur to me (or if I find that someone else has written fanfic about it). Well, there's plenty of TNG fanfic. I've written some myself. But absolutely none of what I've written is a serious, dramatic story. They're all parody/satire/mockery. TNG, with all its uptight "we're so ENLIGHTENED" pomposity, just begs to be mocked.
That's what I came to dislike about the show. It's pompous. There's a bit of Picard-type pomposity in Janeway, and that's why she doesn't come near the top of my "favorite Voyager character" list. She's actually got a lot in common with the very Starfleet captain she loves to put down: James Kirk. When it comes to destroying the ship, she's done it a lot more times than he did.
I'm into fanfic (am currently sorting out my large collection of print 'zines), and I realized something awhile ago. While most of my print stuff is TOS, most of my online fanfic reading is Voyager. I neither have nor read much in the way of TNG or DS9 fanfic because the characters just don't interest me that much. I haven't collected TNG or DS9 novels in years unless they tie in somehow to TOS or Voyager.
Are you thinking of the Roots miniseries?
This is why I don't like any of the Trek movies or TV series that came after Voyager. They're boring, have unlikable characters, and remind me of the saying we have in Canada: "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out." (in reference to the increasingly violent nature of hockey, in which there seems to be more fighting than real hockey nowadays). NuTrek onward are like "I put a bunch of computer effects on TV and found a story in there... somewhere. Maybe. Hard to tell with so many phaser fights and other fights happening for basically no reason."
Agreed. I wish TPTB had just optioned the Reeves-Stevens' novel Federation in place of Generations and First Contact. It was a perfect combination - TOS and TNG in the same story, the real Zephram Cochrane instead of the buffoon movie version, and the ending provided a wonderful hook for a far-future Star Trek series - exploring beyond the Milky Way.
I don't agree with the long story arcs, though. That's what bored me about DS9. If you get into a story that some people don't like, you'll lose viewers. I think I missed one or two DS9 episodes during the Dominion War arc... and it was so boring, I don't even care.
Anyway, TOS and TAS are the only series I wasn't there at the start for. I watched "Encounter at Farpoint" with a roomful of SCA people dressed in medieval costumes (we were watching a VHS taped earlier because the premiere happened to be on the same day as one of our annual tournaments and feasts). The circumstances for watching "Emissary" and "Caretaker" weren't so memorable - just sitting in front of the TV and hoping the show would be good.
Voyager was good. Sure, it had some bad episodes. I'll rewatch any of them except "Threshold." But it had some really good ones, and likable secondary characters as well. I really don't understand why it gets vilified so much on this site.
Am I the only person whose first exposure to the show was that TV Guide issue that showed all the new actors and uniforms? It had Janeway and I think Tuvok on the cover. I think It was either Neelix or Kes though who we didn't see in their makeup with a few of the pics on the inside.
Jason
Jason
No, you are likely only one of millions who saw it as their first exposure to Voyager.
I think most people in the thread are thinking of the first time they saw the show on TV or video.
I recall that as well. They showed the pilot on a Wednesday or Thursday instead of Sunday which would be it's regular time spot. Also I was one of those people who had bought the pilot script at a Trek Convention so I would sometimes see's the actors version of a scene play in away I didn't expect from reading the script. Even today when I see the opening scene Torres in my mind doesn't seem frantic enough with her "Hard to be creative with a rebuilt Engine" or however that line goes. Of course the scene were Janeway talk about meeting KIm's parents felt more emotional than I was epxecting as well. I was also expecting the CMO to be more of a in-your face asshole to Paris when they meet in sickbay instead it was more like passive aggressive dislike.
Jason
I'm afraid I'm not. The few short stories I've read were ... well, pornographic. And although I love the idea of Chakotay and Tommy being together, what I read in some of those stories was a little too graphic for me. Love on VOY is one thing but this is not the main reason why I love this show. The premise ... the idea of being lost at the other end of the galaxy is what makes me love it so much. And of course the family feeling that goes with it. On the same note, their NOT making back to Earth would have been a lot more satisfactory ending for me. This would perhaps given us relaunch books that I could actually like.
Having said that I can imagine that there's some good fan fiction out there ... I just don't think I'm into this kind of thing really.
Exactly. I didn't remember any more what it was called. ROOTS, that's the one.
I actually like the new movies - they are fun. But ENT was so boring I gave it up on Season Two. And DSC doesn't appeal to me although I'll give that one a chance one day.
I quite like the story arcs on DS9 actually but I think the most important thing is that a show entertains. And VOY does that (tremendously in my case) whereas most other Trek shows don't. DS9 is my second choice but this has nothing to do with story arcs and stuff like that. I simply think that after VOY it contains the smallest number of boring eps. And while I love Janeway whatever her decisions are, Sisko is a bit more difficult to relate to. Or maybe it's Avery Brooks - it's a pity that most of the time his main form of expression is shouting.
Agreed and disagreed and agreed. And although people like to bash it here too, believe me this one is an absolute safe haven for VOY: on IMDB you could only read negative remarks about it. It got ... well shredded and torn and it seemed like every Trek fan had to take out their frustration on VOY.
Btw, the part I disagreed with was THRESHOLD. I just love that episode - for me there are some worse eps on VOY, most notably FURY. And on a rewatch, I don't skip that one either.
Slashfic is just part of fanfic. Popular media would have people believe that all fanfic is about throwing the characters into bed and writing torrid sex scenes about them.
The truth is that yes, there are stories like that. Yes, there's a lot of K/S. But it's only a small part of the world of fanfic. There is a pretty good series of Voyager stories about Tom Paris - his Starfleet career post-Endgame - and it's basically adventure stories that brings back vibes of TOS and Kirk's adventures (keeping in mind that Tom is married and so he's not the same sort of ladies' man/flirt that Jim Kirk was). And I just finished reading the latest chapter of a story about Seven's efforts to settle into being the guardian for the Borg kids.
If slashfic is what you're interested in, just keep in mind that it's not all pornographic. I once read a story about Garak/Bashir that wasn't anywhere near as graphic as a Scotty/Uhura story. It depends on how explicit the author gets.
There actually is a print fanzine about Tom and Chakotay. I don't remember what the title is, but I saw it on eBay. It didn't get added to my collection because that's not a pairing that would interest me (seems really out of character for them) and even if I was interested, there's always the chance that it wouldn't be allowed through customs. Unlike online fanfic, print 'zines sometimes contain some rather explicit artwork.
There's good fan fiction and bad fan fiction.
And there's exellent fan fiction, like that on the Kes Website!
I totally agree with you, Thomas Eugene, a great part of fanfictions, regardless characters included, are very graphic, what is a little too much form me too (J/7, J/T, J/Krashykk, J/Jaffen)..., despite the originality of stories.
In short, good stories but too much sex!
In short, good stories but too much sex!
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