I agree. I like or love most of season 1 but that finale...
I will always enjoy season 1, but I know it could have been even better.
Calypso to me is like a great scifi author having a classic short story to punctuate their magnum opus novel.
2023 Discovery Rewatch
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I will always enjoy season 1, but I know it could have been even better.
Calypso to me is like a great scifi author having a classic short story to punctuate their magnum opus novel.
I'm watching Project Daedalus right now, and they are talking about how they rely on Control for Starfleet's decision making and man that is more timely now than it was in 2019. I don't think it's controversial to say that we should not be giving up our lives to AI. Yes they are tools, but we as a society are rushing into it too fast.
That scene with Detmer, Tilly, and Airiam having lunch together is something I wish Discovery did more. I guess that's the issue with a short season but Discovery's seasons have been longer than the others. Discovery is so plot heavy most of the time that I wish we actually did get more downtime character moments.
I miss this Spock with a beard. I thought the Beard looked great on him.
That scene with Detmer, Tilly, and Airiam having lunch together is something I wish Discovery did more. I guess that's the issue with a short season but Discovery's seasons have been longer than the others. Discovery is so plot heavy most of the time that I wish we actually did get more downtime character moments.
I miss this Spock with a beard. I thought the Beard looked great on him.
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I paused my rewatch last year after seeing the worst episode ever in Stormy Weather.
I really disliked it. So much so that I was okay pausing for so long.
But now we have the official S5 date, we can work our way backwards which brings us to tonight's episode:
2/15/24 Star Trek: Discovery 4x7 ...But to Connect
It's been a long time since I've seen this one.
[Mission Impossible ad]
[previously on Star Trek Discovery] so thankful for recaps
Zora is no different than ChatGPT female vocal interface.
Book & Michael are good together.
Skip Intro.
love Jeff Russo's score (big Tonic fan)
but not when it's the 100th time.
Oh damnit whats this guys name?
---The only guy with glasses other than JTK.
(Dr. Kovich. They name dropped him. Thank you.)
There's a lot of politics in this show.
These extras look very extra in all that alien makeup.
Termination Failsafe! That's brilliant.
Green girl & Albino guy, both great.
Doomsday device to collapse anomaly
"Working on acceptance." No one's sleeping 'round here huh?
Halfway mark
Is this Federation president some distant offspring of Ky Wynn?
Different quantum universes. Deep.
Book is getting pulled into the Dark Side of the Force.
Literally nothing has happened for a good 5 minutes.
Book lost the vote. #VoteBooker3190
Grey is getting written off to Trill? Not in S5 poster
Book's gone. Spinned out. Michael left behind.
Ep ended with a trailer for the rest of the season.
Alright that was fun. See y'all next week.
Predestination is real. Very blessed.
#Acts1611KJV
I really disliked it. So much so that I was okay pausing for so long.
But now we have the official S5 date, we can work our way backwards which brings us to tonight's episode:
2/15/24 Star Trek: Discovery 4x7 ...But to Connect
It's been a long time since I've seen this one.
[Mission Impossible ad]
[previously on Star Trek Discovery] so thankful for recaps
Zora is no different than ChatGPT female vocal interface.
Book & Michael are good together.
Skip Intro.
love Jeff Russo's score (big Tonic fan)
but not when it's the 100th time.
Oh damnit whats this guys name?
---The only guy with glasses other than JTK.
(Dr. Kovich. They name dropped him. Thank you.)
There's a lot of politics in this show.
These extras look very extra in all that alien makeup.
Termination Failsafe! That's brilliant.
Green girl & Albino guy, both great.
Doomsday device to collapse anomaly
"Working on acceptance." No one's sleeping 'round here huh?
Halfway mark
Is this Federation president some distant offspring of Ky Wynn?
Different quantum universes. Deep.
Book is getting pulled into the Dark Side of the Force.
Literally nothing has happened for a good 5 minutes.
Book lost the vote. #VoteBooker3190
Grey is getting written off to Trill? Not in S5 poster
Book's gone. Spinned out. Michael left behind.
Ep ended with a trailer for the rest of the season.
Alright that was fun. See y'all next week.
Predestination is real. Very blessed.
#Acts1611KJV
I'm getting ready to do my season 4 rewatch...yes I know I haven't started it yet...but I recall Stormy Weather as being a decent, character driven episode. I could probably name 10 worse episodes from any one season of Voyager.
Still, I'll pay particular attention on the rewatch in case I missed something awful.
Finished Season 2 and started season 3 tonight. I haven't seen Season 3 since it originally aired so it will be interesting to see how I like it this time around. I do remember being disappointed in the cause of the Burn (Thinking it undermined the season up to this point) and the scoffing at the idea that Discovery was bigger on the inside (Even though we saw some of the turbolift area in Season 2). One thing I will say about Such Sweet Sorrow was that was an exciting end to the season, and Burnham's jumps to activate the signals were really cool. I do hope in 10 or 20 years we might get a Documentary like "What We Left Behind" for Discovery where they talk about the original idea of Season 2. I do wonder how it would have turned out if Section 31 hadn't been there.
Started my rewatch last week. Starting with S1. I’ve gotten thru “Magic to Make the Sanest Man…”
biggest take away is that everything Klingon is so much worse than I remember.
second biggest takeaway is Burnham is not nearly as bad as I remember her being. Pleasantly surprised on that one.
biggest take away is that everything Klingon is so much worse than I remember.
second biggest takeaway is Burnham is not nearly as bad as I remember her being. Pleasantly surprised on that one.
Did Burnham have her "Sisko" moment from Season 3 onward? Coming out of Season 2, she really did lay on the emotions thick in every episode, and I do think it is a valid complaint how "melodramatic" this show can get. However, when we see her at the start of season 3, She seemed Calmer and, like Tilly says, "Lighter". I say "Sisko" moment because when Sisko got the beard (And then shaved the head) he became a much better character and captain. I also think about the stories I hear from the cast when it comes to Martin-Green and how much of a leader she has turned into on set, and I think the writers did a great job making Burnham more likeable from Season 3 onwards. The Braids also helped.
I forgot there was a scene with Tilly lamenting how she left everything behind in the episode "People of Earth". I'm glad it was addressed, but I still have a hard time believing that everyone on that ship would choose to do so. Saru says it's a Starfleet thing, but I feel like that is way too much of a sacrifice, even to preserve Starfleet ideals. Also, I really wish they would have found a middle ground between Burnham's year and Saru's idealism. In the 32nd century, the Starfleet they knew is gone. Once they got there (And Zarah should have hit this example home), it really should have been all about survival.
Saying all that though, I do think Season 3 got off to a strong start.
I forgot there was a scene with Tilly lamenting how she left everything behind in the episode "People of Earth". I'm glad it was addressed, but I still have a hard time believing that everyone on that ship would choose to do so. Saru says it's a Starfleet thing, but I feel like that is way too much of a sacrifice, even to preserve Starfleet ideals. Also, I really wish they would have found a middle ground between Burnham's year and Saru's idealism. In the 32nd century, the Starfleet they knew is gone. Once they got there (And Zarah should have hit this example home), it really should have been all about survival.
Saying all that though, I do think Season 3 got off to a strong start.
Just watched Forget me Not, and I had forgotten how much Discovery did deal with the crew's mental state after they traveled through time. There hasn't been much to get me sentimental about Discovery, but I actually did shed a little tear with this episode, mainly because of the B Story with Detmer admitting her PTSD and Culber growing into that councelor role. We don't get much Detmer in this series, but this was the best Detmer episode of the series so far. I still want some aknowledgement of missing home in the final season, but I can understand if they don't do that. It's just I think it goes back to my primary issue with Discovery, and it's I wish we got to know the crew better. Everything is plot driven in this series that when we do get character episodes like this one or the one where Ariam dies, it's worth it but it shows a missed opportunity for more growth.
As for Adira's story, I still think this is the best Adira got in the series. I remember they are written more as a side character for Stamets and Culber, but this episode allowed us to see Trill is a light that they probably couldn't even dream of doing back in the DS9 days. The scene where the Tal's welcome Adira into the circle is one of the more beautiful moments in the new era.
As for Adira's story, I still think this is the best Adira got in the series. I remember they are written more as a side character for Stamets and Culber, but this episode allowed us to see Trill is a light that they probably couldn't even dream of doing back in the DS9 days. The scene where the Tal's welcome Adira into the circle is one of the more beautiful moments in the new era.
That's interesting I just restarted Discovery too, for some reason, and i'm at the same point.
Perhaps... somewhat similar perspective here, but different.
Not being my first rodeo and now having... probably less than zero expectations, I find all the Klingon stuff to be simultaneously worse and better at the same time. Now that I can view it outside of initial rage mode about how I was actively watching the utter butchering the Klingons unfold, and just kind of... accept that this is a thing that happened, I find i'm back to a general opinion I had in that the Klingon stuff is absolutely horrendous as "Klingons", but actually REALLY COOL if they were anything other than "Klingon". If this story was about the Federation expanding and bumping into a new, hostile race border who knew about them and were basically poised to strike once the Federation expanded too close to them, HELL YEAH! If these "Klingons" were... "Xanathians" or something idk I just made that up, all of the "Klingon" stuff gets 100x better. As "Klingons", it's somehow actually WORSE on a second go around. There were so close to having something really cool, and fumbled it.
Burnham is... a bit less insufferable than I remember. Although i'm in a position where my attitude has somewhat flip flopped... initially, I maintained that Burnham is a terrible character, but Green is doing a fine job acting what she has. I'm... actually kind of reversed at this point in S1, now kind of seeing Burnham as not a GREAT character, but not THAT bad, but actually finding alot to be desired in Green's performance. Alot of the dialogue has a strange delivery that feels like i'm watching a play in an amateur local theater.
I was so blinded by my burning hatred of the series on the first go around that I glossed over that. She gets better as it goes on. Season 4 is fresh enough in my mind and the rage had died down by then, but the earlier episodes are honestly tough to watch.
I was really hoping Discovery might get better on a second go around, but now being less just angry about it and just watching it for what it is... it's... really bad. Like to the point where i'm actually shocked that this was greenlit, casted, filmed, went into post-production, etc. and at some point some executive wasn't like "oh god what have we done... release the season and let's move on."
Good evening fellow Trekkers.
Tonight's feature presentation is:
Star Trek: Discovery 4x8 All In
I do 'member this one being a pretty good one.
Let's see how it holds up.
Love a good recap.
"Scramble the Eisenberg class." aww I met him once at a con.
The Federation president is a pompous ass. #STIV
My fellow trekker friend doesn't like Michael Burnham, I do tho.
Oh damn, credits 9 minutes in. I had forgot they hadn't showed yet.
*pause the plot to share a moment of emotion between 3 characters*
It either makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, or it makes you ill.
The AI is trying to take of Stamets job!
She just volunteered to do his work for him to free him up for more important things.
That's what they all say!
Then pretty soon: "They took'rjobz"
*pause the plot to share a moment of emotion between 2 characters*
#TakeAShot
Holographic sea dragon! Awesome!
The Vegas Sphere is essentially the same thing.
Bidding war
The Dot-Roomba doesn't follow directions very well.
Great character building for Lt Cmdr Owo.
Rematch. All in.
Karma Bardge
Changling as a Tribble
Star Trek loves a good poker game.
All in.
Congratulations Glowworm
Tonight's feature presentation is:
Star Trek: Discovery 4x8 All In
I do 'member this one being a pretty good one.
Let's see how it holds up.
Love a good recap.
"Scramble the Eisenberg class." aww I met him once at a con.
The Federation president is a pompous ass. #STIV
My fellow trekker friend doesn't like Michael Burnham, I do tho.
Oh damn, credits 9 minutes in. I had forgot they hadn't showed yet.
*pause the plot to share a moment of emotion between 3 characters*
It either makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, or it makes you ill.
The AI is trying to take of Stamets job!
She just volunteered to do his work for him to free him up for more important things.
That's what they all say!
Then pretty soon: "They took'rjobz"
*pause the plot to share a moment of emotion between 2 characters*
#TakeAShot
Holographic sea dragon! Awesome!
The Vegas Sphere is essentially the same thing.
Bidding war
The Dot-Roomba doesn't follow directions very well.
Great character building for Lt Cmdr Owo.
Rematch. All in.
Karma Bardge
Changling as a Tribble
Star Trek loves a good poker game.
All in.
Congratulations Glowworm
I just finished this one last night as well. I love the Karma Barge, loved the con with O-Wow-sekun. Liked it more the first time because I didn't see it coming until she crouched in the ring just waiting for the bell.I mean it's a classic sandbagging situation or whatever they call it, but the set up was sufficiently high stakes that I bought the desperation that motivated them to try their luck in the ring. I wish I could approach all viewing without the jaded-to-tropes mindset I so often have as a 1st generation television baby.
The levels of communication during that poker game between Book and Michael was nicely done, from tense comedy on the surface, to their past. A poker game with ALL the stakes.
Just started doing a Disco rewatch today for the first time in a while; probably haven't seen season 1 since refreshing myself before season 2 started.
Right off the bat, this feels like a completely different show than where it is today. I realized I never particularly cared for Burnham being played as part-Vulcan in temperament. It doesn't play naturally at all, nor does it really fit Sonequa's personality. I like Burnham far more now that she gets to, for lack of better words, be fun and expressive. In the case of Stamets, he's such an irredeemable prick at the beginning and completely unsympathetic; a far cry from him being a foster father of sorts to Adira now. Between the wide changes in characterization and the chaos in the writers room in the first couple seasons, I can't help but get the impression there was no consistent idea of what the show wanted to be amongst the showrunners and producers.
The Klingon redesign still doesn't work for me at all. While I appreciate the attempt to make them look more alien, it ultimately fails because the costumes inhibit the actors in them. Those dental appliances render T'Kuvma in particular nearly unintelligible.
However, one thing I do like about season 1 so far is the way the scenes and sets are lit! It looks sleek and modern, but also feels like a television show in a good way. Plus, you can actually see the actors and the sets they're in! I think this predated the current obsession of drowning the visuals of television series in impenetrable darkness. It makes me wish they hadn't started chasing the cinematic feel and gone to the anamorphic 2.35:1 framing for all the live action shows after this season.
Right off the bat, this feels like a completely different show than where it is today. I realized I never particularly cared for Burnham being played as part-Vulcan in temperament. It doesn't play naturally at all, nor does it really fit Sonequa's personality. I like Burnham far more now that she gets to, for lack of better words, be fun and expressive. In the case of Stamets, he's such an irredeemable prick at the beginning and completely unsympathetic; a far cry from him being a foster father of sorts to Adira now. Between the wide changes in characterization and the chaos in the writers room in the first couple seasons, I can't help but get the impression there was no consistent idea of what the show wanted to be amongst the showrunners and producers.
The Klingon redesign still doesn't work for me at all. While I appreciate the attempt to make them look more alien, it ultimately fails because the costumes inhibit the actors in them. Those dental appliances render T'Kuvma in particular nearly unintelligible.
However, one thing I do like about season 1 so far is the way the scenes and sets are lit! It looks sleek and modern, but also feels like a television show in a good way. Plus, you can actually see the actors and the sets they're in! I think this predated the current obsession of drowning the visuals of television series in impenetrable darkness. It makes me wish they hadn't started chasing the cinematic feel and gone to the anamorphic 2.35:1 framing for all the live action shows after this season.
It's not supposed to.
Now that I’ve finished season 1, it’s actually a lot better than I remember it being! While I still have some issues with characterization and production design, the crew put together one of the most successful first seasons of a Star Trek series that I’ve seen.
Heading into season 2 now. Still loving the hell out of everything Anson does as Pike. What strikes me the most is the portrayal of the Red Angel and the science vs religion theme in “New Eden.” It’s so different than the uninspired Control/AI plot that the season devolved into that I still am dying to know what the plan really was before Harberts & Berg were fired after episode 5 was filmed. Based on what I was reading, there was a sufficiently significant production hiatus to “regroup” the writer’s room that I’m almost positive Kurtzman threw out a bunch of stuff. Has it ever been confirmed whether Burnham as the Red Angel and the AI takeover of Section 31 were the intended storylines of season 2?
Heading into season 2 now. Still loving the hell out of everything Anson does as Pike. What strikes me the most is the portrayal of the Red Angel and the science vs religion theme in “New Eden.” It’s so different than the uninspired Control/AI plot that the season devolved into that I still am dying to know what the plan really was before Harberts & Berg were fired after episode 5 was filmed. Based on what I was reading, there was a sufficiently significant production hiatus to “regroup” the writer’s room that I’m almost positive Kurtzman threw out a bunch of stuff. Has it ever been confirmed whether Burnham as the Red Angel and the AI takeover of Section 31 were the intended storylines of season 2?
Exactly. Kids will often do whatever it takes to be accepted and loved (*insert Vulcan equivalent here) by their caretakers. She tried so hard to fit in because she had no other family (we assume). Survival.
Only to be ultimately screwed over by her surrogate dad. Which is why her journey to self-actualization begins, right?
I did a rewatch a few weeks ago of season 1 and 2 and a few episodes of season 3. I think DISC would have been a lot better with more episodes so you can have more of an ensemble peice on the level of DS9, so the show can delve into the characters. Comparing it to SNW (I admit one of my favs) I find their bridge crew more interesting than the DISC bridge crew. I was not a fan of leaving the 23rd century to pander to some fan criticism, however that's well and truely done, for me the crew adapted too easily to 31st century life and I found Burnham's attitude of lets bring back the UFP that we all know and love a bit imperialistic. Imagine a sailor from 1824 arrving in 2024 and expecting to revive some European empire based on 'true believer' nostalgia.
Despite all that I look forward to season 5, hope there is no more end of the galaxy, end BREXIT..er I mean save the UFP this time.
Despite all that I look forward to season 5, hope there is no more end of the galaxy, end BREXIT..er I mean save the UFP this time.
I finished Season 3 of Discovery last night. I really wish they didn't write Ossyra as the main villain and actually gave her some complexity. They go all out with this big action finale, and I'm thinking why not go the DS9 route and actually make her offer to join the Federation genuine? For one, the concept of this organization after the cataclysmic event like the Burn is an interesting one, but more than that, it starts building this new universe up, much the same way TNG continued building up the Alpha Quadrant from the original series. Also, considering Lower Decks has gone out of it's way to say the Orions have been missed judged (Through Tendi mostly but we also saw that in the SNW crossover), having a joint Federation/Emerald Chain type organization as a backdrop to develop the 32nd century would have brought it so much for storytelling, especially developing the political and social structure of it.
As for the rest of the finale, I still don't like that finale and I still think the reason for the Burn undermined the season as a whole, but I wonder with better writers and creativity, (Maybe having the Expanse writers) I think there would be something pretty interesting for Season 3 and beyond. Also, I like what Kidder brought to the role and wish they would have kept her alive.
As for the rest of the finale, I still don't like that finale and I still think the reason for the Burn undermined the season as a whole, but I wonder with better writers and creativity, (Maybe having the Expanse writers) I think there would be something pretty interesting for Season 3 and beyond. Also, I like what Kidder brought to the role and wish they would have kept her alive.
While I was watching it I thought it was really a bold idea and how interesting and complex the show would be going forward with the benefits of the armistice for both sides and trying to actually enforce changes to the most unsavory aspects of the Emerald Chain - how would she bring people to heel? Those unpleasant compromises that might ultimately make everything better for everyone, but in the interim have Federation questioning what they got themselves into. But we also get to see some benefits in the interim. I thought, oh wow, this is a cool morally ambiguous solution. And I was soooo ready for a breather on the high stakes for the next season. But the stakes in S4 ramped up to eleventy right out of the gate.
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