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Assuming you meant to say "precedent" by the time Kirk retired in 2293 he had been commanding Enterprises off and on for the past twenty-seven years.

A lot of that was off, though. Five years on (assuming he didn't command the Enterprise for a period prior to the 5YM), two and a half years off, five years on (if you accept the non-canon 5YM in between TMP and TWOK, as I do), eight years off (during which he left Starfleet and came back), seven years on (with the Enterprise-A).

I don't have a problem with Picard commanding the "E" all the way up to the Hobus incident, but that one fifteen year stretch is almost equal to Kirk's entire time commanding two Enterprises combined.
 
David A.Goodman is writing a Spock biography coming out later this year.
It has no actual release date yet, but IMO it isn't likely to be released until 2019. There's always a two year gap between David Goodman's Trek novels from Titan. Federation: The First 150 Years was released in 2013, the Kirk Autobiography was released in 2015, the Picard Autobiography was released in 2017, the Spock Autobiography seems more likely to be released in 2019 than 2018.
Didn't Picard also serve as captain of the Stargazer for 22 years? So that's a personal precedent for remaining on a ship for a long time.
IIRC, we only know for certain that Picard spent 22 years aboard the Stargazer. Canonically speaking, we don't know how much of that time was spent in command, and Tapestry did establish Picard wasn't the ship's captain when he first arrived aboard.
 
IIRC, we only know for certain that Picard spent 22 years aboard the Stargazer. Canonically speaking, we don't know how much of that time was spent in command, and Tapestry did establish Picard wasn't the ship's captain when he first arrived aboard.

Good point. Makes sense there was a period of time when he served aboard the Stargazer before stepping up to the captaincy. I agree the length of his time as captain wasn't mentioned in the show. Did the Stargazer novels establish anything? I only read the first couple of them.
 
Good point. Makes sense there was a period of time when he served aboard the Stargazer before stepping up to the captaincy. I agree the length of his time as captain wasn't mentioned in the show. Did the Stargazer novels establish anything? I only read the first couple of them.

The novels had him becoming captain after just a few weeks aboard when the captain and first officer were killed (an event referred to in "Tapestry," though the episode didn't specify when it happened).
 
10 years plus the 10 he already served? The Hobus incident is like 20 years after Encounter at Farpoint. That's a really long time to stay a captain of one ship, long enough I can't think of any canon president. It makes sense the comic writers thought he would have moved on to something else.
I just mean he’s still the captain now in the novels and that’s only a year away from the Hobus event and he’s shown no indication that he’s about to retire.
Usually you plan that in advance.
 
The novels had him becoming captain after just a few weeks aboard when the captain and first officer were killed (an event referred to in "Tapestry," though the episode didn't specify when it happened).
So he was battle promoted like Ezri. They have something in common then.
 
He hasn't been Captain of one ship. In the time period spanning between Farpoint and Hobus he has commanded two ships, the Enterprise D for eight years and the Enterprise E for fifteen.

Assuming you meant to say "precedent" by the time Kirk retired in 2293 he had been commanding Enterprises off and on for the past twenty-seven years.

Yes, autocorrect on the phone can be dangerous sometimes.

With Kirk, a big portion of that was off. That was actually a major theme in the films.

As for Picard and that being two ships, you are right. In my head I generally consider them one ship with mostly the same crew that just needed to be replaced at one point, but I guess from an in universe perspective it would be seen as two ships.

A lot of that was off, though. Five years on (assuming he didn't command the Enterprise for a period prior to the 5YM), two and a half years off, five years on (if you accept the non-canon 5YM in between TMP and TWOK, as I do), eight years off (during which he left Starfleet and came back), seven years on (with the Enterprise-A).

I don't have a problem with Picard commanding the "E" all the way up to the Hobus incident, but that one fifteen year stretch is almost equal to Kirk's entire time commanding two Enterprises combined.

This was my point, and if you take into account his time as the Captain of the Stargazer, I don't think it's unreasonable for the Countdown writers to assume he would retire from that at some point. Not that the mini-series didn't have other major problems, but Picard becoming an ambassador isn't something I feel is one of them.
 
When I first heard of The Missing I was under the impression that Picard retired and retired on DS9 where Beverly would work as CMO. Didn't quite turn out that way, but I still like the idea of a grandparent-aged Picard playing with René on DS9 :)
 
This was my point, and if you take into account his time as the Captain of the Stargazer, I don't think it's unreasonable for the Countdown writers to assume he would retire from that at some point. Not that the mini-series didn't have other major problems, but Picard becoming an ambassador isn't something I feel is one of them.

I harken back to the Generations movie (I know, not universally loved...), remembering Kirk's advice to Picard. Along the lines of, "Don't let them promote you. On the bridge of that ship is where you can do the most good." As a respected senior Starfleet captain, Picard can have a huge impact for good in the Federation, while still getting to participate in diplomatic missions as well as archeological expeditions. Perhaps the best of all worlds for him.
 
Didn't Picard cite Kirk's words to Akaar at the conclusion of The Fall?

Of course, promotion is virtually impossible for Picard since the Section 31 scandal broke.
 
I harken back to the Generations movie (I know, not universally loved...), remembering Kirk's advice to Picard. Along the lines of, "Don't let them promote you. On the bridge of that ship is where you can do the most good." As a respected senior Starfleet captain, Picard can have a huge impact for good in the Federation, while still getting to participate in diplomatic missions as well as archeological expeditions. Perhaps the best of all worlds for him.

To be clear, I'm only arguing that Picard choosing to become an Ambassador near 2387 isn't out of the realm of possibility, not that it's better than what the novels have been doing. I'm more than happy for him to remain a Starfleet captain flying around on the Enterprise, was just pointing out it wasn't a huge leap to have him retire.
 
Didn't Picard cite Kirk's words to Akaar at the conclusion of The Fall?

Of course, promotion is virtually impossible for Picard since the Section 31 scandal broke.
That sounds interesting. I wonder what he did? Can’t wait to get to it one day.
If they can promote Janeway; a person known for losing a ship for 7 years, I don’t see them promoting Picard to Admiral that hard to believe.
Anyway, being a flagship captain is like being a Admiral anyway.
 
That sounds interesting. I wonder what he did? Can’t wait to get to it one day.
If they can promote Janeway; a person known for losing a ship for 7 years, I don’t see them promoting Picard to Admiral that hard to believe.
Anyway, being a flagship captain is like being a Admiral anyway.
Janeway didn't lose the ship, they promoted her because it was kidnapped and she spent 7 years bringing it back.
 
Well since is indeed factual that an alien (the "Caretaker") being was the one who sent the displacement wave which brought a number of ships, including Voyager, to the ends of the Delta Quadrant, would then appear only fair to give "credit" to whom it's actually due for the pertinent situation.
 
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Janeway didn't lose the ship, they promoted her because it was kidnapped and she spent 7 years bringing it back.
Ha, don't lots of real-world detractors of Janeway (and VOY in general) joke that kicking Janeway upstairs was Starfleet Command's way of preventing more decisions by her from proliferating?
 
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