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2015 MLB Season - Can the Cubs FINALLY win the World Series? (LOL NO)

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Cubs are calling up Kris Bryant, literally the day they gain the extra year of service time.

Yep, he sure needed that time in the minors to work on his outfield defense. Oh, wait, he didn't take a single practice rep or play an inning in the outfield in Iowa. So much for being sent to the minors for baseball reasons.

The roster gymnastics they've had to do at 3rd had a lot to do with it I imagine but you've already made up your mind for all that it matters.
 
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Just a coincidence, nothing to see here. The Cubs surely didn't call up a guy the day they got an extra year of him bfor any particular reason.
 
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Just a coincidence, nothing to see here. The Cubs surely didn't call up a guy the day they got an extra year of him bfor any particular reason.

And what if the 3 games they've lost hurt them when it comes to making the playoffs? :lol:

Did you pay attention to their situation at 3rd the past few days?
 
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To reiterate, if Boras & Bryant didn't hold out for the same amount of $$$, this wouldn't have been an option for the Cubs.

Were they even trying to get more money?
 
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Ryan Howard's Fantasy Spin on his ESPN.com profile reads, "These are dark days for Howard..."

Edit: Meanwhile, chicken fingers are falling from the sky in the Bay Area.

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--Sran
 
Re: 2015 MLB Season - Can the Cubs FINALLY win the World Series? (No.)

Just a coincidence, nothing to see here. The Cubs surely didn't call up a guy the day they got an extra year of him bfor any particular reason.

And we should care about this...why, exactly?
 
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^The Cubs keep doing shady things (i.e., firing Rick Renteria, keeping Bryant at Triple A). It's a wonder why their pissant franchise hasn't won anything of significance in over a century.

--Sran
 
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Shady, perhaps. But still legal.

(With Bryant, anyway. The thing with Renteria was a low blow. But Bryant doesn't have that kind of clout.)
 
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ARod single-handedly won tonight's game for the Yanks. A solo home run (which was a bomb), a two run home run and a single to score the game winning run. This is the best, go ARod.
 
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I don't get the angst over the Bryant thing. Totally legal, and missing 6 games means he plays for them for another 162. Wouldn't that be beyond stupid NOT to do? Not illegal, not against any rules, what's the downside here? Wouldn't it be reckless/foolish NOT to have done that?

0-4 in his first game, good thing that hot bat got in there! (kidding, small sample size, just entertaining is all)
 
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ARod single-handedly won tonight's game for the Yanks. A solo home run (which was a bomb), a two run home run and a single to score the game winning run. This is the best, go ARod.

Where's Yanks to call him names and tell us how much he sucks and should go away? A-ROID, right? They'll take the wins, though. Love hearing the Yankees fans cheering for him right now, fits nicely with my fair-weather, front-running, bandwagon opinion of many of them. :lol:

More seriously, how are the Yankees going to get out of the milestone bonuses? Article said they don't plan to pay, but I don't see the 'out' on that one...
 
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I don't get the angst over the Bryant thing. Totally legal, and missing 6 games means he plays for them for another 162. Wouldn't that be beyond stupid NOT to do? Not illegal, not against any rules, what's the downside here? Wouldn't it be reckless/foolish NOT to have done that?

0-4 in his first game, good thing that hot bat got in there! (kidding, small sample size, just entertaining is all)

Yeah, I don't get it either. I don't think Kris Bryant himself is as upset about this as I've seen others. I actually listened to an argument on talk radio about how him missing about a week of baseball could cost the Cubs the playoffs. Jesus people.
 
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BZZZZ BZZZZ BZZZZ BZZZZ BZZZZ

(That's the sound of all the bees in the MLBPA's bonnet. :lol: )
 
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Shady, perhaps. But still legal.

I don't get the angst over the Bryant thing. Totally legal

This is a growing sentiment in labor - management rhetoric that really, really bothers me. "If it isn't illegal, then it's legal" isn't how the law works, first and foremost (and certainly not in labor law), and such a philosophy basically places the absolute power on the business / management side to do whatever it pleases, and it basically says that business has no responsibility in terms of ethics, morals or the well-being of its labor.

And this is where the dilemma resides. There are areas where formal regulation doesn't quite work. Fix one loophole and teams will just find a new avenue for manipulation. This is a societal issue, not a baseball issue. By definition, management is always going to have the upper hand in terms of power (one of the reasons a strong union is so fucking important), and we have a responsibility to speak out and even shame those acting in bad faith until they stop acting like we are subject to their every whim as long as "it's not illegal." Good faith and following the spirit of the law -- particularly when the letter of the law has been transformed into being yet another hammer wielded by those with power -- must always have a place at the table.
 
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During the Cubs game, they talked about another level where Bryant started with 5 straight K's. It went OK for him after that, so I'm not worried.

Timby, didn't you point out the players signed a CBA that included this particular loophole? I mean, they probably wanted something themselves in the CBA, so they let this one go because it probably wouldn't happen very often anyway.
 
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Timby, didn't you point out the players signed a CBA that included this particular loophole? I mean, they probably wanted something themselves in the CBA, so they let this one go because it probably wouldn't happen very often anyway.

Well, it's only a loophole because the union didn't even think of it really being an issue during the last round of negotiations. (The current CBA was absolutely a case of veterans completely selling younger and mid-tier players down the creek, but that's a whole other discussion.)

It's only in the last few years that certain teams (Astros, Mets, Cubs and a few other bottom-feeders), more obsessed with "process" and profits than, you know, winning baseball games, and their lawyers realized they could save some coin by messing around with their young players' service time. The Astros did it with George Springer, the Mets have done it with a shitload of guys like Syndergaard, d'Arnaud and Wheeler, and there have been other examples all over the league, but the Bryant case is unique in that he wasn't just ready in spring training this year, but he was ready last year -- and that's where the Cubs' protestations to the contrary rang hollow.

"We don't want him to have the pressure of Opening Day." Cool, call him up last September during garbage time and let him get a month against major league pitching. Except they didn't, because of that sweet, sweet extra year of cost control.

The other wrinkle here is the potential grievance. MLB does not have a history, generally speaking, of winning major labor decisions in front of arbitrators and given Tony Clark's rhetoric as of late, it would not surprise me if the union is very strongly considering filing a charge that sending a guy to the minors explicitly for service time reasons is against the rules. (If it were clearly legal, the Cubs wouldn't have been making up all the excuses about his defense.) But we may never know about Bryant filing a grievance unless he wins. It isn't a public process; sometimes it leaks, but not always. For example, Springer gave notice of intent to file a grievance against the Astros last year about their service time fuckery, and it didn't leak out until just this past spring that the Astros settled rather than letting it get in front of an arbitrator. (And given their ownership's close relationship with the commissioner's office, that should tell you exactly how tenuous MLB thinks its position would be in any potential case.)

Don't get me wrong, as a business decision it's fine. But there are times when business decisions and the point of running a baseball team -- which is, you know, to win some fuckin' games -- are mutually exclusive. And we clearly know which side the Ricketts-owned Cubs are on.
 
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They went 5-3 without him, not sure it was a crushing spat of losses, Timby. And again, hilariously small sample size, but they're 0-1 with him so far, so not like playing him means automatic wins and the Cubs decided not to play him.

And not just bad teams that pay attention to service time. Injuries forced their hand at the time, but Boston was on the fence about starting the clock on Jackie Bradley Jr, but had to play him because they were down a couple guys coming out of the spring last year. (all based on theory that he was going to be good, which jury is out on now, but the discussion was the same). Hell, Swihart would probably look better as a catcher for the Sox right now, but they're leaving him down to get more reps, and avoid starting the clock. If it didn't matter, he'd have probably taken Leon's spot when Vasquez went down this spring...
 
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Bryant had a better game 2.

2 out of 3 with 3 BB's and no K's & 1 RBI.

The Cubs bullpen has been a concern the last 2 games after a great start.
 
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