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2012: end of the world or just another year?

The other fact that is going on is Pole Shift, doomsdayers ou to believe that the poles will shift sudenly. If that happened then yes we got a serous problem, but the fact is that the pole shift takes a loooooooooooong time. The pole shift is currently happening along with plate tectonics, but we don't feel it. Granted we do feel earthquakes, but for the most part the plates move slowly over time and we never feel a thing.

Actually the doomsday scenarists are confusing two separate phenomena, either out of ignorance or dishonesty. The shift that takes place is in the orientation of the Earth's magnetic poles, as the magnetic field gradually weakens, reverses, and strengthens again over thousands of years. But the doomsayers confuse this with a shift in the Earth's geographic poles, claiming that it means the whole planet will physically flip over, which is just nonsense.

Plate tectonics has no connection to magnetic field shifts. Nor does it cause the Earth's rotational poles to move, except very, very fractionally as the Earth's mass shifts over millions of years. What it does do is change the orientation of the Earth's land masses relative to its rotational poles -- for instance, Antarctica was once near the equator rather than overlapping the South Pole as it does in the modern era. The continents are essentially big slabs of rock floating on top of an ocean of magma and slowly drifting across its surface. Movement of the continents is not the same thing as movement of the entire Earth. They're just the surface layer.


The galactic center is a super massive black hole and some think that once the sun aligns with it, then the solar system will be sucked into it. If that were to happen we would be dead before we know it, so it dosen't matter. The fact of the matter is that our solar system is a long way out from the center and even though super massive black holes are huge, we will not fall into it's gravity.

The black hole thing is complete nonsense. Regardless of any arbitrary "alignment," as long as the Sun is the same distance from the galactic center, it's going to feel the same pull from the central black hole. People have this ludicrous cartoon image of black holes as something that can reach out aggressively and suck you in like a tractor beam or something, but that's crap. From a distance, a black hole of a given mass exerts no more pull than a star of the same mass. It's only when you get close that their gravity becomes significant.




Now, that's not true. The Mayan people still exist, and to quote Wikipedia, "The Mayan language family is one of the best documented and most studied in the Americas." As for their writing system, far from being "lost," it's the most fully deciphered indigenous script in the Americas. And the calendar is quite well understood today.




No, the truth is that there is no such alignment; the 2012 alarmists made that up by distorting the facts. As I said, the alleged alignment with the galactic equator already happened in 1998. The only alignment the Mayan calendar actually points to on the date we call 12/21/2012 is the winter solstice, which happens every year. Yes, the Mayans were very good at astronomy, and it enabled them to create a marvelously accurate and powerful calendar which they used as any agrarian society would, to tell them when to sow and harvest their crops and manage the other annual cycles of their lives. Any more melodramatic interpretations of what the calendar predicted are modern myths.


Now all that bieng said, I would worry about solar flares or solar storms. If a big one hits, it will disrupt our electronics and such. One person sugested it would set us back to the stone age, I disagree and it would probably set us back to the 19th century.

Both are huge exaggerations. The Earth's atmosphere shields us from the worst effects of a solar flare. The electronics that would be threatened would be those in satellites orbiting the Earth.

To quote the Q&A page I linked to earlier in the thread:
Flares and mass ejections are no danger for humans or other life on Earth. They could endanger astronauts in deep space or on the Moon, and this is something that NASA must learn to deal with, but it is not a problem for you or me. Large outbursts can interrupt radio transmission, cause bright displays of the aurora (Northern and Southern Lights), and damage the electronics of some satellites in space. Today many satellites are designed to deal with this possibility, for example by switching off some of their more delicate circuits and going into a “safe” mode for a few hours. In extreme cases solar activity can also disrupt electrical transmissions on the ground, possibly leading to electrical blackouts, but this is rare.

So we're talking a few days of inconvenience here, not the collapse of civilization.

I agree with you 100% of what you say, the only reason I mentioned plate tectonics is to provide an example of something that happens literally under our feet yet we don't notice it because it happens over long periods of time. Just like the pole shift, which you say has already happened, that I was not aware of. Anyway, the point is that even if all of those happening on the same day in 2012 or any year we wouldn't feel any effect of it. Just like we don't feel the earth spinning. I saw the Discovery show along with all the other Doomsday shows and those guys suggest that it all will happen in one day and all of the sudden. These scientists present worst case scenerioes that will never happen and basically impossible., much like the 2012 movie. As if the poles are just going to shift within a few hours or something and havock ensues. Like I said if the shit does hit the fan, it will be due to Nuclear war with Iran or some shit like an aseroid, so drink up and kiss your ass goodbye.
 
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If I can that might be a plan...get some beers, some food and tune in to Coast To Coast AM for the entertainment. :lol: That should be a fun night. :bolian:
 
2012 is a really $htty movie directed by Roland Emmerich.

OTOH, if Sarah "The Antichrist" Palin is elected president, the world will end and we'll all be grateful to the gods.
 
George has a whole slew of guests planned for the night which is a Friday so I'll be listening for sure. Agreed about 2012 the movie.
 
Just like the pole shift, which you say has already happened, that I was not aware of.

No, I said the alleged alignment of the Sun with the galactic equator has already happened, even using the arbitrary definition of the galactic equator used by the people behind some of the 2012 theories. (Our knowledge of galactic geography is not precise enough to be able to define an exact "equator.") My whole point is that such alignments have absolutely nothing to do with any kind of "pole shift." Those are two completely unconnected doomsday lies that have been blended together by confused or dishonest people.

Although, of course, geomagnetic pole reversals have happened multiple times in the Earth's geological history, generally hundreds of thousands of years apart. But there hasn't been one in 780,000 years.
 
Heck, even the Book of Revelation in the Bible was actually meant as a prediction of events that would happen within the lifetime of its author and original readers/listeners. But when it didn't happen, people started making excuses to push it back.

Actually, some interpretations have been even cleverer than that.

According to some of these intepretations, many of the events described in Revelation have already taken place--only the last few parts are still to come.

And according to one school, everything described in Revelation has already taken place--in the first century CE.

I'd like to see the 2012 doomsday believers pull that off.

"The world ended in 2012, just as we predicted. The rest of you just haven't noticed."
 
I did see on the Discovery Channel that the sun/Earth/something else will be "aligned" in a weird way in December of 2012 that could cause some crazy things to happen with the Earth's magnetic field. They said it's something that only happens every something-hundred-thousand years, and it could really fuck things up.

All that proves is that you should never trust "science" information from a channel that depends on advertising revenues to stay in business. If spouting paranoid fantasies and misinformation gets better ratings than telling the simple, unexciting truth, then they'll lie through their teeth, which is what they're doing here. It's complete and utter BS, taking a few valid ideas and distorting and blending them past all recognition.

What you're describing here sounds like a conflating of several separate, equally false assertions about 2012. One is that there will be a rare alignment between the Sun and the galactic center when the Sun crosses the galactic equator on December 21, 2012. In fact, that alignment already happened in 1998 even by the arbitrary definition of the galactic equator used by the theorists. Another is that there will be a syzygy, an alignment of planets within the Solar System, on that date; that is simply untrue. I just checked it myself in Celestia; on that date, the planets will be scattered all over the system, with no multi-body alignments of any kind, unless you count the Sun, Earth, and Ceres.

The other assertion is that the solar maximum in 2012 will produce a vast solar flare that will trigger a geomagnetic reversal, the "flipping" of the planet's magnetic poles. This is wrong on several levels. One, the solar maximum will peak in 2013 and is expected to be fairly weak. Two, a geomagnetic reversal is a process that takes thousands of years. Three, there's no reason to believe such reversals are in any way influenced by solar flares; they're the result of changes deep in the core of the Earth.

It's sad that the Discovery Channel has sunk to the level of spouting lies like this. That's the diametric opposite of being an educational channel.

But the pretty pictures, man! THE PRETTY PICTURES!
 
I did see on the Discovery Channel that the sun/Earth/something else will be "aligned" in a weird way in December of 2012 that could cause some crazy things to happen with the Earth's magnetic field. They said it's something that only happens every something-hundred-thousand years, and it could really fuck things up.

All that proves is that you should never trust "science" information from a channel that depends on advertising revenues to stay in business. If spouting paranoid fantasies and misinformation gets better ratings than telling the simple, unexciting truth, then they'll lie through their teeth, which is what they're doing here. It's complete and utter BS, taking a few valid ideas and distorting and blending them past all recognition.

What you're describing here sounds like a conflating of several separate, equally false assertions about 2012. One is that there will be a rare alignment between the Sun and the galactic center when the Sun crosses the galactic equator on December 21, 2012. In fact, that alignment already happened in 1998 even by the arbitrary definition of the galactic equator used by the theorists. Another is that there will be a syzygy, an alignment of planets within the Solar System, on that date; that is simply untrue. I just checked it myself in Celestia; on that date, the planets will be scattered all over the system, with no multi-body alignments of any kind, unless you count the Sun, Earth, and Ceres.

The other assertion is that the solar maximum in 2012 will produce a vast solar flare that will trigger a geomagnetic reversal, the "flipping" of the planet's magnetic poles. This is wrong on several levels. One, the solar maximum will peak in 2013 and is expected to be fairly weak. Two, a geomagnetic reversal is a process that takes thousands of years. Three, there's no reason to believe such reversals are in any way influenced by solar flares; they're the result of changes deep in the core of the Earth.

It's sad that the Discovery Channel has sunk to the level of spouting lies like this. That's the diametric opposite of being an educational channel.

But the pretty pictures, man! THE PRETTY PICTURES!
Come to think of it, I was watching this on my new 50" TV. I think I may have let the pretty pictures get to me.
 
I will be honest though, when I read Graham Hancock's Fingerprints of the Gods which is when I first heard about this whole Mayan calender 2012 thing back in the '90s it did sh*t me up, but thinking about it that attitude makes no sense, of course its all nonsense.
 
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