Good news for those who felt that 2001: A Space Odyssey was too short. They may have found 17 minutes of lost footage, depending on whether this news source is reliable. Does anyone know?
2001: A Space Odyssey, 17 minutes of lost footage possibly discovered
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Great movie. I'd love to see this material.
Great movie. I'd love to see this material.
Re: 2001: A Space Odyssey, 17 minutes of lost footage possibly discove
Stuff to make that movie even longer? That's just about the last thing it needs.
Stuff to make that movie even longer? That's just about the last thing it needs.
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I'd like to see those scenes described in the linked article, but agree with the article's author that they should not be inserted into the film as it exists now. They'd be a good bonus feature on a DVD release, though.
I'd like to see those scenes described in the linked article, but agree with the article's author that they should not be inserted into the film as it exists now. They'd be a good bonus feature on a DVD release, though.
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All two of them?
These recovered scenes are an interesting historical artifact, but if the director himself cut them to improve pacing, they certainly shouldn't be put back in. It doesn't sound like there's any significant story material in them anyway.
All two of them?
These recovered scenes are an interesting historical artifact, but if the director himself cut them to improve pacing, they certainly shouldn't be put back in. It doesn't sound like there's any significant story material in them anyway.
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I'd like to see these scenes, if they're genuine, but they're probably not needed in the movie. Kubrick cut approx. 15 minutes from the film after early showings, and he cut the scenes for a reason--the movie doesn't need them.
I'd like to see these scenes, if they're genuine, but they're probably not needed in the movie. Kubrick cut approx. 15 minutes from the film after early showings, and he cut the scenes for a reason--the movie doesn't need them.
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Yeah, I'm always... leery of additional footage. 9 times out of 10, it was cut for good reason. If Kubrick didn't think they should be there, who am I to argue with him?
I'm curious, but, I wouldn't want it reinserted...
Yeah, I'm always... leery of additional footage. 9 times out of 10, it was cut for good reason. If Kubrick didn't think they should be there, who am I to argue with him?
I'm curious, but, I wouldn't want it reinserted...
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I'd read way back when that Kubrick had culled roughly 19 minutes off the film, including a lot of one of the spacewalks that had been intended to be so much like the one that preceded it that its ending with a murder would set it in stark relief to the first. Anyway, the way Kubrick's ownership of most of his film work, I think it would be legally impossible to reinstate any such footage without the blessings of his estate.
I'd read way back when that Kubrick had culled roughly 19 minutes off the film, including a lot of one of the spacewalks that had been intended to be so much like the one that preceded it that its ending with a murder would set it in stark relief to the first. Anyway, the way Kubrick's ownership of most of his film work, I think it would be legally impossible to reinstate any such footage without the blessings of his estate.
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I look forward to seeing these deleted scenes, preferably on their own and not inserted into the film. It's funny; when I was doing a Google video search on "2001: A Space Odyssey" about a year ago I found interviews of the actors Kier Dullea (Dave Bowman) and Gary Lockwood (Frank Poole) at science fiction conventions. The funny thing is Kier actually performs the cut scene he had with Mission Control that occurs after he tells HAL he is going to wake up Frank and discuss it (the problem with the AE-35 Unit) with Mission Control. Also there is a photograph on the web of Dr. Floyd on the Space Station in a room with children painting pictures on canvas that is part of the 19 minutes of deleted scenes. Here is a link to that photograph.
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I look forward to seeing these deleted scenes, preferably on their own and not inserted into the film. It's funny; when I was doing a Google video search on "2001: A Space Odyssey" about a year ago I found interviews of the actors Kier Dullea (Dave Bowman) and Gary Lockwood (Frank Poole) at science fiction conventions. The funny thing is Kier actually performs the cut scene he had with Mission Control that occurs after he tells HAL he is going to wake up Frank and discuss it (the problem with the AE-35 Unit) with Mission Control. Also there is a photograph on the web of Dr. Floyd on the Space Station in a room with children painting pictures on canvas that is part of the 19 minutes of deleted scenes. Here is a link to that photograph.
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Yes, I would just like to see what Kubrick had filmed in these 17 minutes, not necessarily to restore to first cut. Kubrick removed them for his reasons.
Yes, I would just like to see what Kubrick had filmed in these 17 minutes, not necessarily to restore to first cut. Kubrick removed them for his reasons.
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I remember hearing an interview with Gary Lockwood where someone asked him what he said during the lip-reading scene. According to him, his next line was, "I don't give a damn what HAL thinks."
Now, he wasn't prompted with what the last line we heard was, but it still makes sense in context, and fits with his mouth movements. I was impressed. I always wondered if the actors' commentary on the more recent DVD went into more detail about what the remaining lines were.
I remember hearing an interview with Gary Lockwood where someone asked him what he said during the lip-reading scene. According to him, his next line was, "I don't give a damn what HAL thinks."
Now, he wasn't prompted with what the last line we heard was, but it still makes sense in context, and fits with his mouth movements. I was impressed. I always wondered if the actors' commentary on the more recent DVD went into more detail about what the remaining lines were.
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Like everyone else, I'm interested in seeing the cut material as deleted scenes but there is no need to reinsert them into the film. Kubrick is my favorite director, and if he felt it needed to be cut, then I trust him completely.
Like everyone else, I'm interested in seeing the cut material as deleted scenes but there is no need to reinsert them into the film. Kubrick is my favorite director, and if he felt it needed to be cut, then I trust him completely.
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Thanks David cgc, I did not know that. It's been more than 1 year since I listened to the commentary track between Kier Dullea and Gary Lockwood on the Standard DVD (I do not have the Blu-Ray DVD). I think one of them said they just repeated the same lines we heard before the "HAL lip reading" scene. I could be wrong, though. I will listen to the commentary of that scene tonight when I get home and let you know tomorrow.
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Update: After re-watching that scene last night with the commentary on, Kier Dullea said that he could not remember what he and Gary Lockwood said in the Pod during the "HAL lip reading" scene, but he would image they repeated their lines from the previous Pod scene because it did not matter (in his opinion) since the audience could not hear what they were saying (in the "HAL lip reading" scene"). I'm glad Lockwood remembers what he said during that scene, I wonder why he did not mention it on the commentary though.
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Thanks David cgc, I did not know that. It's been more than 1 year since I listened to the commentary track between Kier Dullea and Gary Lockwood on the Standard DVD (I do not have the Blu-Ray DVD). I think one of them said they just repeated the same lines we heard before the "HAL lip reading" scene. I could be wrong, though. I will listen to the commentary of that scene tonight when I get home and let you know tomorrow.
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Update: After re-watching that scene last night with the commentary on, Kier Dullea said that he could not remember what he and Gary Lockwood said in the Pod during the "HAL lip reading" scene, but he would image they repeated their lines from the previous Pod scene because it did not matter (in his opinion) since the audience could not hear what they were saying (in the "HAL lip reading" scene"). I'm glad Lockwood remembers what he said during that scene, I wonder why he did not mention it on the commentary though.
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I recall reading that this was cut only as his response to an early negative reaction from a test screening.
I recall reading that this was cut only as his response to an early negative reaction from a test screening.
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Can we remove some more? More so from beginning with the apes.
If something is cut from a TV show it's most likely for time and can add something. Movies don't need that so it's fun we might have more but isn't at all needed.
Can we remove some more? More so from beginning with the apes.
If something is cut from a TV show it's most likely for time and can add something. Movies don't need that so it's fun we might have more but isn't at all needed.
