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12 changes I would make in Enterprise concept

Tai

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Conceptually, visually and in the execution:

1. The design of the ship

I didn't really mind it being a rehash of the Akira class, but never thought it was an original or marvelous design either. John Eaves had several sketches for the NX-01 that would have been superior final products. In the end the design alienated a lot of fans from the get-go, and hurt the show.

2. The Uniforms

A minor gripe, a deeper blue, less purple, I would have added name tags and a United Earth flag and Starfleet logo. Star Trek uniforms have always looked a little barren to me, and I thought that since these characters were supposed to be closer to Earth astronaughts than their successors it would have been nice to add some things.

3. Henry Archer designing The Warp 5 Engine

Instead of Henry Archer, I would have had it be Jonathan Archer who designed--or at least was lead designer of the engine. Part of the problem I had with the Archer character was that I felt he was fundamentally weak. Some of it may have been Bakula's portrayal, much of it had to do with awful writing, but conceptually I felt like Archer started out with a poor backstory.

Here is a grown man in his late forties whose biggest goal seems to be the preservation of the legacy of his father, a man we'd only seen once in a flashback, and cared nothing about. It's one thing in a story for a young man to do this--but given that Archer was supposed to be a pioneer and legend, it never seemed fitting that his rise was based on his daddy being someone important.

I felt the pilot would have been stronger if Starfleet had no confidence in the Warp 5 engine, they wanted to mothball the NX-01 and consider better Vulcan designs... but when the opportunity came to get the Klingon home and fast, Archer stepped up and said, "Let me show you what it can do. I'll take responsibility, give me the ship and I'll put together a crew."

Instead we got, "This is your father's engine." and, "Don't screw this up."

4. The Temporal Cold War

Even if every element of the story had been meticulously planned out and the ending determined and carefully laid out, it still would have been risky and fraught with plot holes. What made it a million times worse was that they had no idea what they were doing and made it up as they went along. It was a mess, just an awful mess that wasted so much of what could have been a great show. The whole time travel aspect of the show should have been axed before the start.

5. Getting out of the Backyard

The writer's bible that I looked at said that the Warp 5 engine would enable the ship to go beyond the 20 or so worlds and colonies that humanity had encountered so far to meet potentially hundreds of new species and civilizations.

Thinking about it, this was a flaw as well. Making the ship be able to traverse so far made it like every other Star Trek show. What it could and should have been was that the engine enabled humanity to move beyond the three worlds it knew, to about another dozen. The show could then have focused on building relationships with the Vulcans, Andorians, Orions, Klingons, Romulans and a handful of the aliens we know and love. They could have thrown in some of the TNG-era aliens here and there... but the main focus of the show should have been the forging of the Federation. Instead we got aliens of the week as usual, which was no different from Voyager. This also rendered two characters that th Writers bible created for their expertise completely useless.

6. Hoshi Sato

Had the setting remained within the confines of the "core Federation worlds" and "core enemies", Hoshi could have been instrumental in teaching Captain Archer and the rest of the crews the language, customs and anthropological background of the Worlds that were becoming important to Earth. She could have been the know-it-all that balanced T'Pol's know-it-all logic from a human side. She could have had relationships with Andorian, Vulcan and Tellarite warriors and diplomats that were different than Archer because of her awareness and understanding. Her role as mediator between them and Archer could have been incredibly dynamic. Instead, we got her pushing buttons on the universal translator saying "I'm doing the best I can!"

7. Travis Mayweather

Just like Sato, the second they left known space, all of his expertise on the Cargo industry, and all his knowledge of the local aliens and their treatment of space-faring civilians went out the window. 80% of his reason of existing on the ship vanished after the pilot. I can't possibly imagine why they would write that into the bible, knowing that it would be useless after the first episode. He could have been a foil for Sato... who as a scientist and linguist very much appreciated the aliens she came in contact with... he could have said "now hold on, they're not so great when they board and search your freighter for no reason whatsoever." Basically, when they explored strange new worlds, he knew as little as Archer did and thus could be no help whatsoever. By keeping the show in familiar territory, they could have utilized their intended purpose of Mayweather a lot more. At the same time, if ever they wanted to do an arc of episodes where they were in completely unknown space, such as what they did in Season 3, they could have used that as development for Sato and Mayweather "being out of their comfort zones", adjusting to new challenges and questioning their roles.

8. Armaments of the ship and crew.

I don't quite understand how the producers could say that the ship would have rudamentary technology and then introduce phasers, photon torpedoes and transporters ALL IN THE PILOT! They said, "you get to see it being developed, you get to see it in its early phases!" But the problem was... the phase pistols fired like phasers. The photonic torpoedoes fired like photon torpedoes. The transporter worked... just like the transporter. The differences were -completely- cosmetic, and there was nothing exciting about seeing it "introduced" whatsoever. We weren't even treated to a development and unveiling... all three were introduced in the pilot episode.

Now this may be BSG influenced... but visually they could have taken a different approach, with weapons that fired bullets, rail guns and nuclear weapons... maybe by season 3 or something, phasers would work their way in and other technologies as well. This could also have given Malcolm Reed more to do, actually tinkering with experimental technologies... seeing if these phasers he'd seen might put them on even ground with the aliens that were overpowering them.

9. T'Pol

They should have kept her as T'Pau and worked out a deal with royalties... but that was an understandable financial decision. The wig and costume for the first two seasons were awful. What were they thinking?! The third season look should have been it from the get-go.

A lot of T'Pol's development was ok. The decon chamber and Vulcan sensual massage were awful... but her marriage storyline and other things weren't bad. In many, many ways she was a stronger character than Archer, and the voice of reason. This is fine, but it also diminished the respect many of us felt for Archer. The Archer-T'Pol relationship was often balanced by having T'Pol be the injured damsel, and Archer saving her. This is ok occasionally, but I feel like it would have been better to give them an actual intellectual discourse, where some of Archer's motives and arguments were actually practical... rather than have him start intergalactic incidents because of his dog.

10. Dr. Phlox as a Denobulan

I loved him, and I thought the Denobulans were ok too, but they didn't have to introduce a never-before-seen race for a main character into a prequel. He could have been just as effective as a Tellarite.

11. Suliban

Same issue. They went the way of the Kazon anyway, but if they were always going to be special-effects hacks, why not just make them genetically modified Romulans, or even Remans? The Romulans could have been the villians from the get-go. The Romulan war was less than ten years away and we didn't see them until Season 4.

12. Timeline of the show.

If they assumed they had a full 7 years, why not set the show in 2154 instead of 2151? So that they wouldn't have to skip to 3 years in the future for the Founding of the Federation scene? They could have done 5 years of building the Alliances, with much of that devoted to solving the Andorian-Vulcan dispute, even perhaps having a Vulcan-Andorian War that Earth has to settle... and the final two years be the Romulan War and the Founding of the Federation. We'll never know of course what Manny Coto would have done with three more years if he'd had them, but really what cost the show dearly was the uninspiring and meandering first two seasons. If Season 4 would have been Season 1... we may have seen Enterprise on the air today.
 
All very valid points. Some I would agree with, others I don't, but I don't feel like starting an argument right now.:lol:

Looking back on ENT as a whole, I feel that the whole series was rushed into production before it was ready. At the time Voyager was coming to an end, Nemesis was either one or two years away, and the Star Trek franchise had definately seen better days. The head honchos at Paramount felt a new series was needed to keep Star Trek afloat, and someone got the idea to do a prequel of TOS since TOS seems to be the only part of ST that everyone likes. After about two months of conceptualizing and writers attending keggers, ENT is born.

Personally, I feel that a break from ST was needed so that ENT would have the time to reach the potential we all know it should've had. Maybe if we had a year or two away from Star Trek like what we're getting from STAR TREK XI, ENT might've been a ratings success, or at the least lasted the full seven years it was supposed to. Don't get me wrong, I'm part of the small minority that actually liked ENT. I just feel it was rushed. The franchise needed to sink like the Titantic, then after a year or two, Paramount can ressurect it Frankenstein style and give it new live. If they did that, perhaps Nemesis would've been a better movie.:rommie:
 
Conceptually, visually and in the execution:

1. The design of the ship

I didn't really mind it being a rehash of the Akira class, but never thought it was an original or marvelous design either. John Eaves had several sketches for the NX-01 that would have been superior final products. In the end the design alienated a lot of fans from the get-go, and hurt the show.

2. The Uniforms

A minor gripe, a deeper blue, less purple, I would have added name tags and a United Earth flag and Starfleet logo. Star Trek uniforms have always looked a little barren to me, and I thought that since these characters were supposed to be closer to Earth astronaughts than their successors it would have been nice to add some things.

3. Henry Archer designing The Warp 5 Engine

Instead of Henry Archer, I would have had it be Jonathan Archer who designed--or at least was lead designer of the engine. Part of the problem I had with the Archer character was that I felt he was fundamentally weak. Some of it may have been Bakula's portrayal, much of it had to do with awful writing, but conceptually I felt like Archer started out with a poor backstory.

Here is a grown man in his late forties whose biggest goal seems to be the preservation of the legacy of his father, a man we'd only seen once in a flashback, and cared nothing about. It's one thing in a story for a young man to do this--but given that Archer was supposed to be a pioneer and legend, it never seemed fitting that his rise was based on his daddy being someone important.

I felt the pilot would have been stronger if Starfleet had no confidence in the Warp 5 engine, they wanted to mothball the NX-01 and consider better Vulcan designs... but when the opportunity came to get the Klingon home and fast, Archer stepped up and said, "Let me show you what it can do. I'll take responsibility, give me the ship and I'll put together a crew."

Instead we got, "This is your father's engine." and, "Don't screw this up."

4. The Temporal Cold War

Even if every element of the story had been meticulously planned out and the ending determined and carefully laid out, it still would have been risky and fraught with plot holes. What made it a million times worse was that they had no idea what they were doing and made it up as they went along. It was a mess, just an awful mess that wasted so much of what could have been a great show. The whole time travel aspect of the show should have been axed before the start.

5. Getting out of the Backyard

The writer's bible that I looked at said that the Warp 5 engine would enable the ship to go beyond the 20 or so worlds and colonies that humanity had encountered so far to meet potentially hundreds of new species and civilizations.

Thinking about it, this was a flaw as well. Making the ship be able to traverse so far made it like every other Star Trek show. What it could and should have been was that the engine enabled humanity to move beyond the three worlds it knew, to about another dozen. The show could then have focused on building relationships with the Vulcans, Andorians, Orions, Klingons, Romulans and a handful of the aliens we know and love. They could have thrown in some of the TNG-era aliens here and there... but the main focus of the show should have been the forging of the Federation. Instead we got aliens of the week as usual, which was no different from Voyager. This also rendered two characters that th Writers bible created for their expertise completely useless.

6. Hoshi Sato

Had the setting remained within the confines of the "core Federation worlds" and "core enemies", Hoshi could have been instrumental in teaching Captain Archer and the rest of the crews the language, customs and anthropological background of the Worlds that were becoming important to Earth. She could have been the know-it-all that balanced T'Pol's know-it-all logic from a human side. She could have had relationships with Andorian, Vulcan and Tellarite warriors and diplomats that were different than Archer because of her awareness and understanding. Her role as mediator between them and Archer could have been incredibly dynamic. Instead, we got her pushing buttons on the universal translator saying "I'm doing the best I can!"

7. Travis Mayweather

Just like Sato, the second they left known space, all of his expertise on the Cargo industry, and all his knowledge of the local aliens and their treatment of space-faring civilians went out the window. 80% of his reason of existing on the ship vanished after the pilot. I can't possibly imagine why they would write that into the bible, knowing that it would be useless after the first episode. He could have been a foil for Sato... who as a scientist and linguist very much appreciated the aliens she came in contact with... he could have said "now hold on, they're not so great when they board and search your freighter for no reason whatsoever." Basically, when they explored strange new worlds, he knew as little as Archer did and thus could be no help whatsoever. By keeping the show in familiar territory, they could have utilized their intended purpose of Mayweather a lot more. At the same time, if ever they wanted to do an arc of episodes where they were in completely unknown space, such as what they did in Season 3, they could have used that as development for Sato and Mayweather "being out of their comfort zones", adjusting to new challenges and questioning their roles.

8. Armaments of the ship and crew.

I don't quite understand how the producers could say that the ship would have rudamentary technology and then introduce phasers, photon torpedoes and transporters ALL IN THE PILOT! They said, "you get to see it being developed, you get to see it in its early phases!" But the problem was... the phase pistols fired like phasers. The photonic torpoedoes fired like photon torpedoes. The transporter worked... just like the transporter. The differences were -completely- cosmetic, and there was nothing exciting about seeing it "introduced" whatsoever. We weren't even treated to a development and unveiling... all three were introduced in the pilot episode.

Now this may be BSG influenced... but visually they could have taken a different approach, with weapons that fired bullets, rail guns and nuclear weapons... maybe by season 3 or something, phasers would work their way in and other technologies as well. This could also have given Malcolm Reed more to do, actually tinkering with experimental technologies... seeing if these phasers he'd seen might put them on even ground with the aliens that were overpowering them.

9. T'Pol

They should have kept her as T'Pau and worked out a deal with royalties... but that was an understandable financial decision. The wig and costume for the first two seasons were awful. What were they thinking?! The third season look should have been it from the get-go.

A lot of T'Pol's development was ok. The decon chamber and Vulcan sensual massage were awful... but her marriage storyline and other things weren't bad. In many, many ways she was a stronger character than Archer, and the voice of reason. This is fine, but it also diminished the respect many of us felt for Archer. The Archer-T'Pol relationship was often balanced by having T'Pol be the injured damsel, and Archer saving her. This is ok occasionally, but I feel like it would have been better to give them an actual intellectual discourse, where some of Archer's motives and arguments were actually practical... rather than have him start intergalactic incidents because of his dog.

10. Dr. Phlox as a Denobulan

I loved him, and I thought the Denobulans were ok too, but they didn't have to introduce a never-before-seen race for a main character into a prequel. He could have been just as effective as a Tellarite.

11. Suliban

Same issue. They went the way of the Kazon anyway, but if they were always going to be special-effects hacks, why not just make them genetically modified Romulans, or even Remans? The Romulans could have been the villians from the get-go. The Romulan war was less than ten years away and we didn't see them until Season 4.

12. Timeline of the show.

If they assumed they had a full 7 years, why not set the show in 2154 instead of 2151? So that they wouldn't have to skip to 3 years in the future for the Founding of the Federation scene? They could have done 5 years of building the Alliances, with much of that devoted to solving the Andorian-Vulcan dispute, even perhaps having a Vulcan-Andorian War that Earth has to settle... and the final two years be the Romulan War and the Founding of the Federation. We'll never know of course what Manny Coto would have done with three more years if he'd had them, but really what cost the show dearly was the uninspiring and meandering first two seasons. If Season 4 would have been Season 1... we may have seen Enterprise on the air today.
Crap!!

I really thought, "this is going to a really lame thread by some nerd who thinks he's smarter than the show writers"

I agree with almost everything you said.
Why denobulan?
Why akiraprise
why 2151?
Why temporal cold war???
Why suliban?
Why show all the same tech if it's 100 years earlier?
Why go so far out into space?
Why the crappy hairstyle/

They really made some bad choices. They had all the tidbits & hints from TOS 7 they blew most of it. to use and they
 
Here are my 12 changes (without having read the other posts):

1. No TCW.
2. No catsuits!
3. At the end of Broken Bow, T'Pol is eager to leave the ship and the crew are eager to see her go (except for Phlox). But the Vulcans, who want to keep an eye on the human crew, use her role in the success of the mission to argue that leaving her on board would benefit the exploration mission. It would then make more sense to me when Archer gives T'Pol a hard time about Vulcans and rarely (if ever) listens to her counsel. It will take more than a few episodes for her to find friendship and acceptance.
4. Tactical officer Malcolm is still in S31 and occasionally does spy stuff unbeknownst to Archer.
5. Travis is security chief.
6. Hoshi's martial arts skills turn up in episode 1 (much to the surprise of Capt. Archer) and the delight of Malcolm.
7. Phlox is human (some experience in the interspecies medical exchange but he's no superdoctor). People will become ill or get injured and he won't always be able to undo the damage.
8. People die (or get maimed) in every season.
9. Get an actress for "Precious" Cargo.
10 Zero Hour ends with the homecoming (read: No Stormfront!).
11. Home is a 3-story arc: There were a lot of people on that ship and even some of the extras deserved some face time for this one.
12. NO TATV!!!

Tai, I really enjoyed reading your ideas.

When I heard the new series was going to be a prequel about early exploration, I really expected to see a "this isn't your grandfather's StarTrek." I expected people to be killed and maimed and no super-educated doctor from another planet was going to be able to put everybody back together again. They wouldn't have any kind of shielding. They'd be dependent on the hull's ability to absorb energy and impacts without buckling. They woudn't have a transporter. They'd have laser-based weapons. Hull-breaches would be dealt with using air-tight bulkheads(?) that could trap crew members for days. Some would die.

Life would be gritty. The astronauts -- men and women alike -- would be earthy, rowdy and tough.
 
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I agree with pretty much everything you said however if I was writing the Romulan war I would have had the Romulans destroy Denobula thus explaining their absence in later trek (despiite a few novels and the game elite force 2).

If they had Voyager end in May 2001, Nemesis come out in December 2002 and then Enterprise premiere in September 2003 things would have probably been much better. I love Enterprise and enjoyed (overall) Nemesis but giving their full attention to Nemesis would have made it a better film that probably would have done much better with no new trek being on at the time. Then they could refine their Enterprise ideas while and after working on Nemesis and prehaps more people would have tuned in considering it had been two years since star trek was on tv.
 
I like a lot of your ideas, especially making Archer's connection to the Warp Five Engine more prominent.

Instead of using the Suliban, I'd use the Orions instead.
 
Conceptually, visually and in the execution:

1. The design of the ship
Did it. Though I'm actually going to do some mroe redesign work on it to make it even more distingishable from the "Akiraprise" design. Though if you or anyone else has some alternates, be they by John Eves or otherwise, I'd definately be willing to give them a look.

2. The Uniforms
I not only redesigned the coveralls, but I gave them different types of uniforms too.

3. Henry Archer designing The Warp 5 Engine
I kept that aspect of it the same, but I gave bother of them a more meaningful background, which yuo can actually read about in the current episode in my sig. ;)

4. The Temporal Cold War
I'm avoiding temporal anything... :vulcan:

5. Getting out of the Backyard
Not really sure what to say about this. We've had a few aliens of the week episodes, but we've also done more with the Andorians, the Tellarites, and the Orions in the first half of our first season than ENT did for most of its run. We also have an actual fleet, or two fleets if you count the military fleet.

6. Hoshi Sato
She's defiantely not just a glorified phone operator on Foundations.

7. Travis Mayweather
We've also done more with him, and he's actually a main character instead of just the silent token black guy.

8. Armaments of the ship and crew.
No phasers, no photon torpedos, no transporters... well, the Andorians have them but they're the only ones so far and they were only seen being used in the pilot miniseries. Their small arms are basically the plasma weapons they used in Broken Bow before Reed brought out the "Phase Pistols". The ship uses larger versions of that for a CIWS, as do the military's warships, missle launchers, and some laser cannons for long range firing. The warships also have rail guns. Human and Tellarite ships don't have shields, the Vulcans have weak shields, and the Andorians have fairly good ones to go with their armaments - it's an unbalanced universe. ;)

She's still T'Pol, she;s still the science officer and the first officer, but there are actual reasons for that, and she wears something that actually looks like a professional uniform, as in NOT spandex. Development and relationship wise, well, you'd probably have to read to see for yourself. I kept some things, but lost others, and added some of my own.

10. Dr. Phlox as a Denobulan
I still have Phlox as a Denobulan, but I'm going to handle the Denobulan question later on, and I also have a human doctor on board, and he doesn't really like Phlox all that much. Think of him as a younger Doc Cottle. ;)

11. Suliban
I still have these guys, but they aren't like they were on ENT. No TCW, after all.

12. Timeline of the show.
I started in 2152, but I'm ditching the 1 season = 1 year formula. After all, they're only going warp 5 so it takes a while to get someplace. Plus I might skip ahead at some point for drama's sake, you never know. ;)
 
Am I the only one who liked the uniforms? :wtf: I think they really looked like the link between contemporary space suits and the TOS uniforms. Also, they had pockets! Of course a Starfleet uniform would have to have pockets! ;)
 
They were ok, but I didn't care for the colored pipings that echoed the VOY uniforms, and I didn't care for the rectangular TNG ranks either.
 
Am I the only one who liked the uniforms? :wtf: I think they really looked like the link between contemporary space suits and the TOS uniforms. Also, they had pockets! Of course a Starfleet uniform would have to have pockets! ;)
I liked the uniforms, too. But we still should have seen at least some variation. I liked Archer's dress uniform in tatv. Having seen that, I realized that the crew should have been in dress uniform during the welcome home ceremony in Home. If they had enough time to assemble thousands and thousands of people in that stadium, the crew had time to change their clothes. I also think the entire crew and macos (most could have been cgi) should have been on the stage as well.
 
Am I the only one who liked the uniforms? :wtf: I think they really looked like the link between contemporary space suits and the TOS uniforms. Also, they had pockets! Of course a Starfleet uniform would have to have pockets! ;)

Season 2-4 uniforms were good, TATV was great. Season 1 uniforms were way way too purple for my taste.
 
Haven't read the whole thread yet, but Tai, that is an excellent post. You really have some great ideas that would have improved the series. Adding some salt to the crew would be good.
 
Am I the only one who liked the uniforms? :wtf: I think they really looked like the link between contemporary space suits and the TOS uniforms. Also, they had pockets! Of course a Starfleet uniform would have to have pockets! ;)

I loved the uniforms for that very reason! :bolian:

I didn't care for the rectangular TNG ranks either.

...but TNG rank pips were circles, and had open circles for ranks like Lt. Cmdr. ENT only had three ranks (four if you count crewman), versus the multiple ones for later series.
 
Am I the only one who liked the uniforms? :wtf: I think they really looked like the link between contemporary space suits and the TOS uniforms. Also, they had pockets! Of course a Starfleet uniform would have to have pockets! ;)

I loved the uniforms for that very reason! :bolian:

I didn't care for the rectangular TNG ranks either.

...but TNG rank pips were circles, and had open circles for ranks like Lt. Cmdr. ENT only had three ranks (four if you count crewman), versus the multiple ones for later series.

Still the same idea - 4 pips for captain, etc, it was based off of the TNG system, and the only reason we didn't see any for Lt JG or Lt Comm was that they simply hadn't made a hollow pip for them for the show for whatever reason, They are still based on the TNG system, which is itself based off of the USN system. The uniform itself is also still an echo of the VOY uniform.
 
Conceptually, visually and in the execution:

I wouldn't have minded ENT with all the changes you mention, as long as the substance of the series had a quality to it, but all of those points you make (except for 4) are pretty much cosmetic and don't really affect the substance of the series. It's like, "I would've made Skywalker's lightsaber yellow instead of green."

But, hey, you know, you like yellow lightsabers (analogically), that's cool.
 
Conceptually, visually and in the execution:
all of those points you make (except for 4) are pretty much cosmetic and don't really affect the substance of the series. It's like, "I would've made Skywalker's lightsaber yellow instead of green."


While some of the changes I was suggesting were cosmetic... the real point I was getting at was that the story should have been about Earth's role in the neighborhood of the Alpha quadrant. About the FOUNDING OF THE FEDERATION. That was the prequel that was pitched. What we got was Aliens of the week and some really boring episodes.

Daniels in the Temporal Cold War episodes kept telling Archer he was instrumental in the Founding of the Federation... but really how many episodes did we actually see where Archer actually lived up to this prophecy? Only in Season 4 when Manny Coto took over and brought the show where it was supposed to have been all along. By then it was too late.
 
Conceptually, visually and in the execution:
all of those points you make (except for 4) are pretty much cosmetic and don't really affect the substance of the series. It's like, "I would've made Skywalker's lightsaber yellow instead of green."


While some of the changes I was suggesting were cosmetic... the real point I was getting at was that the story should have been about Earth's role in the neighborhood of the Alpha quadrant. About the FOUNDING OF THE FEDERATION. That was the prequel that was pitched. What we got was Aliens of the week and some really boring episodes.

Daniels in the Temporal Cold War episodes kept telling Archer he was instrumental in the Founding of the Federation... but really how many episodes did we actually see where Archer actually lived up to this prophecy? Only in Season 4 when Manny Coto took over and brought the show where it was supposed to have been all along. By then it was too late.

I really have to agree with you. I didn't mind the Denobulans, Kreetassans or Vissians but beyond that I could have done without all the other new species. As much as I loved Enterprise I often feel that the first two seasons could have easily been combined into one knocking out many of the species of the weeks episodes and the temporal cold war ones.

Enterprise was great but it could have been a lot more.
 
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