Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
Crap... forgot about that. You're right!
Crap... forgot about that. You're right!
11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoilers
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Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
Yep, he saw Billy and heard his message to the other Docs. I think he even asked who it was, or something...
Yep, he saw Billy and heard his message to the other Docs. I think he even asked who it was, or something...
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
They met, very briefly, in The Five Doctors.
They met, very briefly, in The Five Doctors.
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
That wasn't the 1st doctor, it wa a faaaake!
That wasn't the 1st doctor, it wa a faaaake!
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
Nick Courtney, as The Brigadier, witnessed William Hartnell, as the 1st Doctor, on a viewscreen in The Three Doctors. Nick Courtney, as The Brigadier, briefly spoke with Richard Hurdnall, as the 1st Doctor, in The Five Doctors...
There!
Now everyone shut up!
Nick Courtney, as The Brigadier, witnessed William Hartnell, as the 1st Doctor, on a viewscreen in The Three Doctors. Nick Courtney, as The Brigadier, briefly spoke with Richard Hurdnall, as the 1st Doctor, in The Five Doctors...
- [On the subject of immortality]
Brig: "What, you mean live forever? Never die?"
1st Doctor: "That is what the word means, young man..."
There!
Now everyone shut up!
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
The idea of the 11th Doctor meeting Jack during his 2 year memory gap is a cool one. I especially like that we'd see the "old" Jack: a self-serving future con artist with way cool time-travel gadgets and a squareness gun.
I really liked the Captain Jack of The Empty Child/Doctor Dances, and the idea of seeing him as a Time Agent sounds very cool.
Heck, I've always wondered why Torchwood seldom if ever even mentions the whole "Time Agent" thing. We know so little about it.
The idea of the 11th Doctor meeting Jack during his 2 year memory gap is a cool one. I especially like that we'd see the "old" Jack: a self-serving future con artist with way cool time-travel gadgets and a squareness gun.
I really liked the Captain Jack of The Empty Child/Doctor Dances, and the idea of seeing him as a Time Agent sounds very cool.
Heck, I've always wondered why Torchwood seldom if ever even mentions the whole "Time Agent" thing. We know so little about it.
Checkmate
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Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
I, personally, have nothing against reset buttons. But trying to argue that this isn't one is silly. It's the very definition of a time travel reset button! This particular scenario just happens to have some foreshadowing attached, that's all.
Past character has interaction with the protagonist. Hilarious/epic adventure ensues. Past character forgets it ever happened via memory wipe/coma/dream sequence/whatever. Return to status quo.
I, personally, have nothing against reset buttons. But trying to argue that this isn't one is silly. It's the very definition of a time travel reset button! This particular scenario just happens to have some foreshadowing attached, that's all.
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
The question is, what name would he be using at the time...
The question is, what name would he be using at the time...
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
It only works that way if you let it...there's no reason that whatever Jack and the Doctor encounter can't resonate in the future. No reason that, upon meeting the 11th Doctor for the first (second?) time the walls in Jack's mind start to finally drop.
'It's you...oh my God, all those years, those regenerations and it was you who stole my damn memory!'
It only works that way if you let it...there's no reason that whatever Jack and the Doctor encounter can't resonate in the future. No reason that, upon meeting the 11th Doctor for the first (second?) time the walls in Jack's mind start to finally drop.
'It's you...oh my God, all those years, those regenerations and it was you who stole my damn memory!'
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
Very goop point
Very goop point
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
So, what you are arguing is that you don't like the idea of the 11th Doctor being involved with pre-Empty Child Jack Harkness because you feel it's a reset button? I simply don't see how any of it is a "reset button", since nothing gets reset. Jack Harkness, Time Agent, meets the 11th Doctor, something happens to wipe his memory (which explains why he's missing two years, and wouldn't remember meeting The Doctor), then, later he meets the 9th Doctor, and there we go.
While it wouldn't be the most incredibly original idea for the scenario, it would at least tie-up this aspect of Jack. I don't see it as a reset, since the only thing "reset" is Jack's memory....which, Timey-Wimey speaking...has already been wiped. It's already part of his story, so nothing is retconned...
So, what you are arguing is that you don't like the idea of the 11th Doctor being involved with pre-Empty Child Jack Harkness because you feel it's a reset button? I simply don't see how any of it is a "reset button", since nothing gets reset. Jack Harkness, Time Agent, meets the 11th Doctor, something happens to wipe his memory (which explains why he's missing two years, and wouldn't remember meeting The Doctor), then, later he meets the 9th Doctor, and there we go.
While it wouldn't be the most incredibly original idea for the scenario, it would at least tie-up this aspect of Jack. I don't see it as a reset, since the only thing "reset" is Jack's memory....which, Timey-Wimey speaking...has already been wiped. It's already part of his story, so nothing is retconned...
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
That IS a very goop point...........
That IS a very goop point...........
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
I should apologise for posting when my point was indeed covered in goop. It is undignified.
I should apologise for posting when my point was indeed covered in goop. It is undignified.
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
It should be noted that from Captain Jack's perspective, the two missing years happened several centuries ago. I'm not sure how relevant they still are to him or to his development as a character.
It should be noted that from Captain Jack's perspective, the two missing years happened several centuries ago. I'm not sure how relevant they still are to him or to his development as a character.
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
Well, I think the only relevancy is that it explains why he left the Time Agency of the 51st Century. Obviously, that's a significant change in his old life. Who was he before he was the con-man? Was he like Capt. John Hart? What's his real name? Etc.
Well, I think the only relevancy is that it explains why he left the Time Agency of the 51st Century. Obviously, that's a significant change in his old life. Who was he before he was the con-man? Was he like Capt. John Hart? What's his real name? Etc.
Re: 11th Doctor & Jack- speculation only but children of earth spoiler
Back before Torchwood season 2, when we found out Jack had family and a verifiable history and such, I remember briefly toying with the idea that Jack was a future (possibly the last) incarnation of the Doctor, and that for some reason he eventually needed to use the Chameleon Arch to hide himself with the persona of a 51st century con man hiding out in World War II, and the two years of amnesia were just a handwave so "Jack" would never explore his previous life and find it was all fake.
But John Hart and Gray blew that out of the water pretty thoroughly.
Back before Torchwood season 2, when we found out Jack had family and a verifiable history and such, I remember briefly toying with the idea that Jack was a future (possibly the last) incarnation of the Doctor, and that for some reason he eventually needed to use the Chameleon Arch to hide himself with the persona of a 51st century con man hiding out in World War II, and the two years of amnesia were just a handwave so "Jack" would never explore his previous life and find it was all fake.
But John Hart and Gray blew that out of the water pretty thoroughly.