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Hated this episode infact probably the worst one ever IMO and I can't even watch all of it anymore. Simply not TREK :shifty:
 
Hated this episode infact probably the worst one ever IMO and I can't even watch all of it anymore. Simply not TREK :shifty:
Sorry, while I respect your right not to like it, not liking an ep. doesn't make it not Trek.
 
It was a nice idea. It did give the rest of the cast members a little rest with production. Was it Voyager I want to talk about -- NO!
 
This episode was cute, but in no way did it compete with far Beyond the Stars... Or even Carbon Creek. Probably because of the lack of tension. Heroically submitting to progress because some woman half your age tells you that you're being a fool? Hardly 300 or Mr Smith goes to Washington is it? Possibly the closest TNG came to an episode like this was when Jean-Luc said: "There was a Picard at Trafalgar!" Which was again all still about making sure you have children somewhere to carry on your dna and history.

Face it, this episode was all about how some tetchy geriatric who didn't want his blessed shop, his legacy, the proof that he'd been there on earth toiling for probably the last 30 years to be demolished to make for a mall (Goodness, this is the plot to Be Kind Rewind, and the Ballard of John Henry. OH! That's why they called Henry, henry. I am thick.). It's a question of what is Representative of the human condition, our monuments to that which "was" or our latest gaudy innovations like phalanxes ready to fall keel and immediately submit to an even newer imminent tomorrow?

Technology towards the Mars colony be damned, it was a mall. So lets demolish the Colosseum to make way for a super froody new MacDonalds restaurant...So what did Mr Janeway all beaten up by fighting the future MUCH less successfully Fox Mulder take from all this? That maybe the only way to make sure you have a legacy which the man can't steal from you, is to plow some lady willing to put up with you and then lie to your children about what is real and what is untrue, until you are a hero after all.

And somehow in all this Seven figured out that Shannon was a real American Hero?
 
^^But in the end Henry gets the last laugh because in the 24th century people like Picard & Janeway read actual books.

However, Henry Janeway is a tribute to small town Mom & Pop Americanan and the fight against the big souless business of Wal-Mart.
 
Comparing it with Carbon Creek is a bit unfair; Carbon Creek is pretty much my favorite ENT episode. It received a Hugo nomination for best dramatic presentation.
 
Comparing it with Carbon Creek is a bit unfair; Carbon Creek is pretty much my favorite ENT episode. It received a Hugo nomination for best dramatic presentation.
I think comparing it being similar to Carbon Creek or Far Beyond..... is a great compliment.
 
By the end of this episode, I agreed with the old man.

The Millennium Eyesore really was just a glorified shopping mall.


It reminded me of Gremlins 2, where Daniel Clamp wanted to build that monstrosity but the Chinese guy said no.
 
I hated this episode. One minute Janeway was proud of her ancestor but once she found out she supposedly didn't do what she set out to do, all of a sudden she wasn't so proud anymore and then turns out after some digging her ancestor did so something good after all which made things right after all?
How would you have her behave? I would think many people would have reacted that way after learning that a certain ancestor that they thought was a great leader or achieved greatness only to learn otherwise...

don't like my opinion? kindly kiss off.
 
She got mopey because generations of Janeways had all be duped by the same conjob myth (You seen the Island?) and then Seven blew Smoke up her ass to make her feel better like a 4 year old in need of some consolement because she'd dropped her ice cream in the sand, and Kathy fell for it because a huge stretch of her personality and the fuel for her massive entitlement issues had just been ripped out leaving a dark cold emptiness like how when the Borg pluck out cities to the roots from orbit. Nature, heh, even "nurture" abhors a vacuum y'know?

George summed it up best...

"There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, fool me once, shame on—shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again."

—Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
Although, what the President almost said, admitting flaws in his character and performance within a common enough colloquialism used generally by most without accepting some lofty culpability for everything that's gone wrong since 9/11, odds are that he was quoting James Doohan who said something similar, we're all familiar with but about learning from mistakes and the consequences of not learning from mistakes from TOS, but we all already knew that already don't we?

Now just imagine fro a second if Al Bundy hadn't scored 4 touchdowns in one game, exactly how Bud and Kelly would feel about that since he regails himself of this legendary feat three times every episode of Married with Children?

Janeways Father lied to her.

Santa Claus time a thousand. :)
 
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I hated this episode. One minute Janeway was proud of her ancestor but once she found out she supposedly didn't do what she set out to do, all of a sudden she wasn't so proud anymore and then turns out after some digging her ancestor did so something good after all which made things right after all?
How would you have her behave? I would think many people would have reacted that way after learning that a certain ancestor that they thought was a great leader or achieved greatness only to learn otherwise...

don't like my opinion? kindly kiss off.

You do know flaming is against the rules, right? Besides, if you do it again I'll have to issue a warning which involves spending time filling out "paperwork" when I could be concentrating on my coffee instead. Don't do it!
 
I often find myself comparing Highschool musical to Grease, although yesterday i said that Dirty, Sexy Money was a gaudy and soulless reimaginiing of Arrested development.

Sometimes apples are oranges.
 
I never really cared for this episode. It's actually quite possibly the one I hate the most. It's boring and not all at what Voyager normally is.
 
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