1080P: What comes after it?

[Maab of the Ten Tribes]

So how will this affect watching our 1080p blu rays discs if we watch them on a 4K tv?

Also will the studios start remastering shows and movies in 4Kp?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

So how will this affect watching our 1080p blu rays discs if we watch them on a 4K tv?

It won't. They'll look the same as before. No worse, to be sure, but also no better.

As it stands, there doesn't seem to be much use for 4K televisions, as there is no programming to feed them (no 4K Blu-rays, dish or cable channels exist).

The sales-people will try to tell you that existing HD content is "upscaled" for 4K sets and therefore is up to 4K standards, but they are misleading you as to what "upscaling" really means. All that upscaling does is make the image fill the screen. It doesn't make the image better quality - just lets it fill the screen. (Without upscaling, you would see a small postage-stamp-sized image if you viewed standard definition content on a HDTV, or existing HD stuff on a 4K set.)

 

[Pingfah]

Not many just yet. "4k" "UHD" "HDx4" etc. is the next step up. which is really 2160p but apparently 4k sounded cooler so they went with that.

It's almost 4000 pixels wide, so it's a reasonable thing to call it I think. 2160p does sound incredibly clunky

I think the format will be great for content being created going forward now so many people use digital cameras, but so many of the BR transfers I have now of classic movies already look like super high-res film grain, so i'm not sure how good that's going to look.

 

[sojourner]

It's funny. I once read an article that explained how on a tv in the 32" to 50" inch range, unless you're going to sit closer than 6 feet to it, there's no point having anything over 720p. The human eye can't see the improvement of higher resolutions from farther away unless you get a really big TV. So I laugh to myself at the 4k stuff. It's a waste of money unless you have either a very small room for the TV or the budget for a very, very large TV.

 

[AvBaur]

Yeah, even my 720p video projector, which projects a 2 meters wide image, looks perfectly sharp to me from where I'm usually sitting. Sure, I can see the pixels when I get closer, but I don't usually do that while I'm watching a movie. 1080p is going to remain perfectly sufficient for most uses.

 

[Relayer1]

Improvements in quality will just continue to get smaller and smaller. Remember the jump from VHS to DVD ? The improvement from DVD to Bluray HD was noticeable, but not as great. I've seen new 4K and yes, it's better again (and hard to fit on current storage media), but after that it'll be hard to tell.

It's an unpopular notion thesedays, but sometimes you do reach a point where things really are just 'good enough'.

 

[Kemaiku]

It's funny. I once read an article that explained how on a tv in the 32" to 50" inch range, unless you're going to sit closer than 6 feet to it, there's no point having anything over 720p. The human eye can't see the improvement of higher resolutions from farther away unless you get a really big TV. So I laugh to myself at the 4k stuff. It's a waste of money unless you have either a very small room for the TV or the budget for a very, very large TV.

It will only really matter on TV's in the 22"-32" range from shorter ranges and smaller devices like tablets and the widescreen PC monitors.

720-1080p look just fine on any other larger screen and at a distance.

So there isn't a need for anything better, since we'd literally never see the difference.

 

[Venardhi]

It's funny. I once read an article that explained how on a tv in the 32" to 50" inch range, unless you're going to sit closer than 6 feet to it, there's no point having anything over 720p. The human eye can't see the improvement of higher resolutions from farther away unless you get a really big TV. So I laugh to myself at the 4k stuff. It's a waste of money unless you have either a very small room for the TV or the budget for a very, very large TV.

Gonna call bullshit on that. Walk into a best buy, you'll see the difference easily.

Also, can we stop with the "p"s and the "i"s finally? Everything is progressive scan now, "p" doesn't mean anything anymore, and never did on computer monitors, phones, etc.

 

[sojourner]

It's funny. I once read an article that explained how on a tv in the 32" to 50" inch range, unless you're going to sit closer than 6 feet to it, there's no point having anything over 720p. The human eye can't see the improvement of higher resolutions from farther away unless you get a really big TV. So I laugh to myself at the 4k stuff. It's a waste of money unless you have either a very small room for the TV or the budget for a very, very large TV.

Gonna call bullshit on that. Walk into a best buy, you'll see the difference easily.

Nope. the human eye can't see much better than 1080p from more than 6 feet away on your typical sized TV. Now, some tv's do have better color, darks/lights, refresh rates, but don't mistake that for screen resolution.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Yeah, that can typically be figured out by charts: http://www.rtings.com/images/resolutions-worth-it-comparison.png

At 6 feet 4k becomes worthwhile on about a 45-50" TV. That's definitely feasible, but there does come a point where you probably aren't going to sit so close to a huge TV screen.

 

[Relayer1]

I saw 4K on an 85' screen. The overlying the rainforest demo gave me vertigo. It was stunning from about 4 feet away, and still good closer !

 

[Venardhi]

It's funny. I once read an article that explained how on a tv in the 32" to 50" inch range, unless you're going to sit closer than 6 feet to it, there's no point having anything over 720p. The human eye can't see the improvement of higher resolutions from farther away unless you get a really big TV. So I laugh to myself at the 4k stuff. It's a waste of money unless you have either a very small room for the TV or the budget for a very, very large TV.

Gonna call bullshit on that. Walk into a best buy, you'll see the difference easily.

Nope. the human eye can't see much better than 1080p from more than 6 feet away on your typical sized TV. Now, some tv's do have better color, darks/lights, refresh rates, but don't mistake that for screen resolution.

Skipping your hastily retreating goal posts, you have to realize that while you can't see the pixels at some point, the image produced is still discernably different and more "real" the closer it approaches the nearly infinite resolution of the world our eyes have evolved to see. Our eyes are naturals at combining small detail, when there is no small detail to interpolate it is obvious.

 

[GalaxyX]

I'm thinking of selling my GTX 690 and getting 2 Titans instead. Wanna buy my card?

I'll start the bidding at $2.

PLUS SHIPPING!

I think just the box is worth more than $2

 

[sojourner]

Gonna call bullshit on that. Walk into a best buy, you'll see the difference easily.

Nope. the human eye can't see much better than 1080p from more than 6 feet away on your typical sized TV. Now, some tv's do have better color, darks/lights, refresh rates, but don't mistake that for screen resolution.

Skipping your hastily retreating goal posts, you have to realize that while you can't see the pixels at some point, the image produced is still discernably different and more "real" the closer it approaches the nearly infinite resolution of the world our eyes have evolved to see. Our eyes are naturals at combining small detail, when there is no small detail to interpolate it is obvious.

Yep, I switched from 720p to 1080p. But my point still stands. You're wasting money on higher definition after a certain distance away from the screen. You physically can't see the difference in resolution. The only reason to buy higher definition is if you are increasing screen size as well.

Here, check out this link from Ryan8bit's chart. It explains better than I can:
http://www.rtings.com/info/television-size-to-distance-relationship

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

Hi all, I just wanted to know what comes after 1080P. Is there a video I can watch online that has better quality than 1080P?

Thanks!

Not without buying a very expensive monitor.

Yep. The 4K monitors can get ridiculous, and that's not including whatever hardware you'll have to get to play it. I tried to play a 4K video last week, and my computer just about pissed itself, and it's about 4 years old. My video card is an AMD Radeon 4670HD 1GB DDR3, and it just screamed at me in several different languages to stop trying to play the thing.

What CPU do you have btw? I notice when I'm playing 1080p that my CPU usage goes up.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I'd be happy if they could truly max out the current HD specs right now. With their compression and stuff watching the Speed Racer movie's color action overload on Comcast is a blocky nightmare. I think the networks are only broadcasting 720p or 1080i. It would be good if everything including TV and video games and streaming are all running at 1080p 60fps.

 

[Amaris]

What CPU do you have btw? I notice when I'm playing 1080p that my CPU usage goes up.

I have an AMD Athlon X2 4850e (dual core) 64 bit processor, running at 2.5Ghz.

 

[Venardhi]

I'm thinking of selling my GTX 690 and getting 2 Titans instead. Wanna buy my card?

I'll start the bidding at $2.

PLUS SHIPPING!

I think just the box is worth more than $2

And a hug?

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I wonder what's next after so-called 3D and 4k to make us part with our cash -- holographic displays? I called a halt at 1080p -- there's only so much detail of skin complaints that I can stand to look at on actors' faces without feeling nauseous.

 

[FPAlpha]

Currently the best thing would be to just buy better picture TVs, i.e. better colors, backlight etc. Basically anything that improves the picture quality itself because we are hitting the area where resolution is high enough that the human eye doesn't see a difference.

Most people don't have huge living rooms where 4K 80'' TVs would make sense (and who can pay for those?) but marketing people will still try to make you believe you need them.

It's the same with computers and processing power.. quad core, xxMhz out every end etc and i have to repeatedly tell people that they don't need that much power to surf the Internet, watch Youtube videos and do the occasional Word document. For that a few hundred bucks netbook and maybe a good external monitor is all you need and they are all surprised how they have been duped.