10,000 Survivors? !

[superstring01]

Look. I was specifically listening for this line and there aren't just "10,000 Vulcan's left". (somebody said this in an earlier post on this forum).

What Spock said was this, "There are no more than 10,000 survivors of the destruction of Vulcan." This doesn't mean that there aren't more than that number of Vulcans left on other colony worlds. If there are only "10,000 survivors" of the destruction of Earth, but a billion other other humans who were already living on various colonies, that doesn't negate that only 10,000 people survived the destruction of Earth." This is very Abrams-esque play of words.

We know, specifically of two specific Vulcan colonial worlds (P'Jem [the monestary world, which is bound to have at least a few thousand by the time of Kirk] and another world mentioned in Enterprise. And I refuse to believe that there aren't Vulcans living on a number of other worlds. Bet on a few million.

To Beta Spock's statement's about being in an engangered species, well, for the most part, he's right. Six billion Vulcans died. If that cut the population of Vulcan from 6.25 billion down to, say, 100 million, that would certainly seem endangered by the juxtoposition, especially if the populations are spread across a number of other worlds and have mixed cultures and even genetic material with other species. (that's a bit of educated speculation, I will admit)

I still hold that the next movie will somehow bring Vulcan back. That's also some big speculation. Maybe I'll end up being wrong.

~String

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Nah, Vulcan's gone. And it's gone for good.

Doesn't mean the Vulcan species is gone. Just it's home planet.

 

[Mr. B]

I was expecting this movie to be the 'time travel to save Vulcan' movie. Back to back time travel movies seems rather insane but so does destroying Vulcan.

 

[SalvorHardin]

I still hold that the next movie will somehow bring Vulcan back. That's also some big speculation. Maybe I'll end up being wrong.

I think that's just your "used to the reset button used all the time" Trek self talking.

Of course i can not say with a 100% certainty what the writers will do in the future, but I highly doubt Vulcan is coming back anytime soon.

New Vulcan is in the works though as seen at the end when the Spocks were talking

 

[superstring01]

I still hold that the next movie will somehow bring Vulcan back. That's also some big speculation. Maybe I'll end up being wrong.

I think that's just your "used to the rest button used all the time" Trek self talking.

Of course i can not say with a 100% certainty what the writers will do in the future, but I highly doubt Vulcan is coming back anytime soon.

New Vulcan is in the works though as seen at the end when the Spocks were talking

You're right. I'm like a abused child: I've been hit so many times with the "trek reset button" that I flinch when something big happens... thinking it will all be reset.

As I stated in another post: I think that the destruction of Vulcan was a masterful move. Kudos to Abrams for having the balls to write something that big.

~String

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Yes, I agree. It was. And it gives me hope for Trek.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

If the filmmakers don't make a great business out of the foundation of the "New Vulcan" colony I'll bet you dollars to donuts that Trek novelists will. That is just ripe for all kinds of drama.

 

[Squiggy]

Nah, Vulcan's gone. And it's gone for good.

Doesn't mean the Vulcan species is gone. Just it's home planet.

Now we have a reason as to why we never see any damned Vulcans in Starfleet.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Nah, Vulcan's gone. And it's gone for good.

Doesn't mean the Vulcan species is gone. Just it's home planet.

Now we have a reason as to why we never see any damned Vulcans in Starfleet.

Yes, that's the spirit!

 

[Jeyl]

Don't Vulcans have some telepathic connection where they can sense when other Vulcans die? In the Immunity Syndrome, Spock literally has a nasty reaction to only 300 Vulcans dying, yet he and every Vulcan keeps a straight face when SIX BILLION die?!

 

[USS Triumphant]

I wonder what Romulus's relationship with this new colony will be. I mean, in Prime Continuity, the Romulans were always trying to "retake" Vulcan. Wouldn't a colony be easier pickings? But, since it isn't actually Vulcan, would the Romulans care to "retake" it? Or, will this event spawn such sympathy for the remaining Vulcans in the Romulan Empire that it brings them closer, and results in the Romulans joining the Federation?!

Those who have said so are right - this was masterful on Abrams' part.

 

[archeryguy1701]

It's an interesting thought, but I'm inclined to think that it's 10,000 total. But, I guess that the line is left up to interpretation to an extent.

 

[ThunderAeroI]

If you take the Romulans out as an emeny and they do their reunification of the vulcan people on Rumules wont that kill off lots of good stories with the Romulans?

 

[section9]

There have to be several hundred thousand Vulcans living on United Earth alone.

Indeed, I would have imagined a pattern of immigration to Earth over the century since the time of Archer's Enterprise from those who couldn't quite "fit in" to Vulcan's strict social norms and found Earth more to their liking.

 

[M'Sharak]

Don't Vulcans have some telepathic connection where they can sense when other Vulcans die? In the Immunity Syndrome, Spock literally has a nasty reaction to only 300 Vulcans dying, yet he and every Vulcan keeps a straight face when SIX BILLION die?!

Spock keeps a straight face while going postal on Kirk on the bridge of the Enterprise? You bet.

Quinto made some remarks in an interview months ago which would seem to speak to the fact that Spock is not unaffected by the destruction of Vulcan.

 

[biotech]

If you take the Romulans out as an emeny and they do their reunification of the vulcan people on Rumules wont that kill off lots of good stories with the Romulans?

Not it just shunts them to a parallel universe.

 

[Myasishchev]

Well, Romulus still exists in the 23d century, with billions of Vulcans living on it, plus their own colony worlds. The Vulcan species is hardly endangered. Spock misspoke, probably out of grief.

 

[cultcross]

Well, Romulus still exists in the 23d century, with billions of Vulcans living on it, plus their own colony worlds. The Vulcan species is hardly endangered. Spock misspoke, probably out of grief.

Well that'd be ironic really, as Romulus will still suffer the supernova in the 24th century, so the poor Vulcans will have to go through all this again if they reunify.

 

[superstring01]

Well, Romulus still exists in the 23d century, with billions of Vulcans living on it, plus their own colony worlds. The Vulcan species is hardly endangered. Spock misspoke, probably out of grief.

My points exactly!

~String

 

[Jbarney]

Look. I was specifically listening for this line and there aren't just "10,000 Vulcan's left". (somebody said this in an earlier post on this forum).

What Spock said was this, "There are no more than 10,000 survivors of the destruction of Vulcan." This doesn't mean that there aren't more than that number of Vulcans left on other colony worlds. If there are only "10,000 survivors" of the destruction of Earth, but a billion other other humans who were already living on various colonies, that doesn't negate that only 10,000 people survived the destruction of Earth." This is very Abrams-esque play of words.

We know, specifically of two specific Vulcan colonial worlds (P'Jem [the monestary world, which is bound to have at least a few thousand by the time of Kirk] and another world mentioned in Enterprise. And I refuse to believe that there aren't Vulcans living on a number of other worlds. Bet on a few million.

To Beta Spock's statement's about being in an engangered species, well, for the most part, he's right. Six billion Vulcans died. If that cut the population of Vulcan from 6.25 billion down to, say, 100 million, that would certainly seem endangered by the juxtoposition, especially if the populations are spread across a number of other worlds and have mixed cultures and even genetic material with other species. (that's a bit of educated speculation, I will admit)

I still hold that the next movie will somehow bring Vulcan back. That's also some big speculation. Maybe I'll end up being wrong.

~String

This is one of my main criticisms of the film. The destruction of Vulcan is a major event in the trek universe, and the film didn't seem to treat it very well. I can understand the need of the writers and director to move things along, but with respect to the story telling, the destruction of Vulcan and the implications for the Vulcan people were very limited.

For example...from a dramatic stand point it would have made so much more sense to give the audiance some indication that the Vulcans were actually defending their planet. I know we see the Enterprise arrive and we what is left of the fleet that left Earth....but I certainly didn't get the impression Vulcan had any planetary defenses. It was just glossed over, left to the viewer's imagination.

Also, it would have been nice, and I do think they tried to do this, to see a bit more of the aftermath. Perhaps more lines in the film about how the remaining Vulcans were dealing with the loss of their planet....I know the last couple of scenes attempted to do this.....but it wasn't enough for me.