And then it all comes apart when the scandal of him and a hologram duplicate of a woman he's into hits the news waves...
“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?
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Only if they argue about canon....Wouldn't it be great if they just had a youtube series having dinner?
It played out very differently. Work's parents encouraged his Klingon side; and Work growing up WANTED to be Klingon and fully connect with his Klingon heritage . His problems arose because Worf BELIEVED that all Klingons valued 'Honor' as stated in their writings and historical stories; but found out that in the world of actual Klingon society, 'Honor' had many different meanings/interpretations; and in the end was just a another political tool.
Burham rejected her Humanity growing up; thinking the Vulcan way of purging/controlling all emotion was a better way - and Sarek encouraged and supported that belief for a time; but came to realize Burham did need to reconnect with her Humanity, even thiough Burnham didn't want to.
So, no - in the end, the character's backstories were very dissimilar as present on screen.
Wasn’t Kutzman involved in writing the ST09 tie in comic book? It could happen...I just want one episode to be "The Return of Data".
I agree. It's probably the best of the bunch. And, imo, how commentary tracks should be.
Um, no Star Trek series is going to get a mainstream audience. They'll all be niche shows that would never make it on a broadcast network. It's been that way for decades now. But, that's OK. Niche shows are in with streaming.
Shoot, ST can barely maintain a mainstream movie series. I loved Beyond, but it really failed to meet box office expectations. Fatigue set in with the third movie!
Everything has been done already. It's how you do that makes it stand out, or not!
Back in the nineties, TNG got a mainstream audience. Before that, re-rund of TOS.
And today, genre tv is the absolute king of tv - Game of Thrones had more viewers than many mainstream movies.
It's absolutely possible for Trek to gain mainstream audiences again - they just would have needed to deliver a truly perfect product. Not just a "mostly good" one.
It's pretty obvious Trek only gets mainstream success when it's focusing on it's core identity. And not trying to ape other, more popular shows at the time. DIS had the chance to do that, but wasted it. The Picard show probably is not going to slowly become as big of a juggernaut as TNG was back in the day. But IMO it has the potential to bring back many, many casual viewers - much more than DIS did. Kinda' like ST09 did back in the day, before wasting that good-will on a 4 year waiting periode and Into Darkness.
I'm not sure what you mean. Broadcast TV isn't exactly the hotbed of culturally reverent television these days. Besides "This is Us," there isn't much there. BBT isn't what it used to be, nor are the Rhimes/ABC shows. Streaming/Prime services are where it's at. And will be for the foreseeable future.
It's also dismissive and reductive to think Star Trek can't be culturally relevant, especially given the current 'nerd is king' climate. And while I certainly enjoy Disco and think people are way too harsh on it, I do think it represents a glaring missed opportunity. The potential was there for it to have easily become a cultural phenomenon had they really strive to put their best foot forward.
Although I am personally convinced CBS would've loved for DISCO to be that cultural phenomenon on par with Game of Thrones, I don't think it would've happened anyways. GoT brought something to TV that managed to click with audiences, especially audiences that otherwise might not have given this show a chance (honestly, who would've thought a quasi-medieval fantasy show would ever be so popular?).
DISCO, on the other hand, feels like it's late to the party. Does the show really do anything that hasn't already been done in TV, and in some instances, arguably been done better? Particularly with regards to matters of inclusion, Star Trek (which once was ahead of the times in this regard) now feels like it's playing catch-up. It's hard to honestly sell your product as innovative when the rest of the market has not only caught up to you, but arguably left you behind.
It's not Discovery's fault that there was no Star Trek series for 12 years.
And judging by some people here (luckily not most), DSC has done enough that they're complaining about "SJWs!!!" any chance they get.
And judging by some people here (luckily not most), DSC has done enough that they're complaining about "SJWs!!!" any chance they get.
That was never going to happen. Thrones is a once-in-forever thing.
But Disco should have at least been able to seat itself at the water cooler. Look what it had queued up going in:
Sasha from Walking Dead
Dwight from The Office
Mark from Rent
That guy who's always in those awesome monster costumes -- including the year's best picture.
Lucius fucking Malfoy
And the #! woman action star in the whole world.
Disco should've been a bigger deal than it was from the start.
And really, I can't help but wonder if, when it comes to Trek, the CBS marketing is any better than Paramount's. But I digress.
He was. Prior to the movie's release, Kutzman said the prequel comic was canon, then a few years later..............Backtracked
It wasn't years later, it was in the same interview.
And it wasn't a backtrack, he just said it wasn't up to him to decide what was or wasn't canon.
People just tend to ignore that part and take the rest out of context.
Edit: My bad, that was Orci, not Kurtzman.
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That just proves my point about how it has been decades since ST has had mainstream success. Yes, TNG had awesome ratings. It's been downhill since then. Each successive series has done worst than the last. Same with movies. The Kelvin movies were able to break that for a bit but yet the downward trend is still there.
Yet, you get something new and wonderful like GoT and it takes off. I love that show. Although, I haven't looked up the ratings.
I agree with you about broadcast TV. My point about mainstream success was more about numbers, popularity, and a hot thing that's talked around the proverbial "watercoolers" en masse. ST series since TNG have not had that pop culture aspect.
I'm not knocking Trek by any means. I'm more reacting to a comment about how Discovery was a blown opportunity because it's not a mainstream success. It never was going to be. And, there's nothing wrong with that. So, we disagree on that aspect. I think Discovery did fairly decently because it did well enough to help launch another series! And, I personally enjoyed Discovery. That's good enough for me!
While I enjoyed it, there are definitely things it could've done better. It pales in comparison to a number of modern serialized shows. It's only my 4th ranked Trek series. So, I do agree it could've been better. But, I still enjoyed it and look forward to it returning.
The problem with DSC is that it's perceived as "just another Star Trek series" in a collection of Star Trek series. The general public perceives four types of Star Trek:
1. TOS
2. TNG
3. The Abrams Films
4. Everything Else (a.k.a. the stuff they don't watch)
Before someone says "But I know someone who watches DS9!" or "I know someone who loves Voyager!", I'm talking in broad generalities. This is a wall DS9, VOY, ENT, and now DSC can't seem to break. It applies to all four of these series, regardless of whatever I think of them separately.
Game of Thrones is "new". It's the Big Thing. Or was recently The Big Thing. Breaking Bad was a Big Thing too. Familiarity breeds contempt and people have heard of and already made up their mind about Star Trek and whether or not they like it. They won't pay for a series they're already not interested in.
The Abrams Films break away from being "Everything Else" because it was promoted as "The Cool Star Trek". The Star Trek that's not for "nerds". Jock Trek with "Dudebro Kirk" as @MakeshiftPython called him. That made them want to go see it. And it was just a two-hour movie, then it was over. Not something to go back to week-after-week and pay for month-after-month.
I went out on a camping trip this past weekend. Someone (not me) brought up Star Trek. I went with the flow. The only Star Trek that came up was TOS, TNG, and "The Reboot" (meaning the Abrams Films). And the discussion, however brief it was, was focused most heavily on TOS. And yes, there was the one person in our circle who said they couldn't tell Star Trek from Star Wars.
1. TOS
2. TNG
3. The Abrams Films
4. Everything Else (a.k.a. the stuff they don't watch)
Before someone says "But I know someone who watches DS9!" or "I know someone who loves Voyager!", I'm talking in broad generalities. This is a wall DS9, VOY, ENT, and now DSC can't seem to break. It applies to all four of these series, regardless of whatever I think of them separately.
Game of Thrones is "new". It's the Big Thing. Or was recently The Big Thing. Breaking Bad was a Big Thing too. Familiarity breeds contempt and people have heard of and already made up their mind about Star Trek and whether or not they like it. They won't pay for a series they're already not interested in.
The Abrams Films break away from being "Everything Else" because it was promoted as "The Cool Star Trek". The Star Trek that's not for "nerds". Jock Trek with "Dudebro Kirk" as @MakeshiftPython called him. That made them want to go see it. And it was just a two-hour movie, then it was over. Not something to go back to week-after-week and pay for month-after-month.
I went out on a camping trip this past weekend. Someone (not me) brought up Star Trek. I went with the flow. The only Star Trek that came up was TOS, TNG, and "The Reboot" (meaning the Abrams Films). And the discussion, however brief it was, was focused most heavily on TOS. And yes, there was the one person in our circle who said they couldn't tell Star Trek from Star Wars.
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Really?
Maybe if tptb consider that story not to be canon then we could see a resurrection of Data in Star Trek: Picard...
We probably won’t but it’d be fun if we did.
Can he function as a walker the same way he functions as a floatation device?
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