“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?
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Nope, it's just that Klingon women are smarter, and men have aggressive pea-sized brains
Seriously, I think you'd be surprised just how much hair fits in a tiny cap. You really don't need a big elongated skull, just some braiding skills. The skull sizes are an aesthetic choice, not a practical one.
Yeah, my explanation doesn't really hold water. I suppose it could be intended to make it easier to distinguish the women from the men.Nope, it's just that Klingon women are smarter, and men have aggressive pea-sized brains
Seriously, I think you'd be surprised just how much hair fits in a tiny cap. You really don't need a big elongated skull, just some braiding skills. The skull sizes are an aesthetic choice, not a practical one.
The variance in those pictures (including the Kelvin and Disco and TOS ones) isn't any greater than what would be found in a random sample of humans.
Klingons really are the embodiment of why canon -- or more specifically 'canon violation' -- is silly and tiresome.
Klingons really are the embodiment of why canon -- or more specifically 'canon violation' -- is silly and tiresome.
How is the variance of the DSC Klingons close to humans?
^ Yeah, it's amazing what skin color and hairstyle can do to add some variety. More Trek aliens should play with those. It was nice to see in TNG's "Rightful Heir" that they had black, white, and ginger Klingons, for example. And I liked how some of the different houses on DSC included some variation too. But that's a far cry from the poly-nostrilled, Xenomorph-craniumed, expression-frozen, rubber helmet-heads that are the DSC Klingons. They're closer to Scarrens.
Also, L'Rell's mom's house can turn Voq into Ash Tyler...but they can't do what humans have done for thousands of years?
-MMoM
Picard with hair?
Um no, they really havent:
Add to the fact that with almost every other alien race; each individual member look almost exactly the same. Between Romulans and Cardassians, say, despite being able to tell that they are played by different actors, there is nothing in their appearance that differentiates them much from the other; all have the exact same forehead ridges and features in the same places. Each Klingon had a very unique look to them.
Clearly you're not watching hard enough.
I found the Klingons certainly expressionistic enough. I mean, it could improve but I certainly didn't find them frozen.
Also, L'Rell's mom's house can turn Voq into Ash Tyler...but they can't do what humans have done for thousands of years?
-MMoM
They're from DA FUTURE, so they can artificially engineer anything, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the natural look of the entire species as interpreted in the new series.
Whatever ideas we fans concoct for our own digestion, each series has interpreted the entire species "as they always looked." If the house of Mog shows up, they'll look like this, just as Duras (or Kang or whoever) has. If L'Rell has a daughter, her little baby head will come out elongated, as her mother's. You can chalk that up to new artificial DNA splicing instead of whatever the ancient humans used, but, again, that'll be your idea, not that of TPTB.
At the latex helmets sculpted with distinct expressions by makeup artists? They're glued to moving faces allowing for some limited range of expression, but they're nowhere near the that of previous interpretations.
...Whatever your opinion of the series (which I like) let's be real about its strengths and weaknesses, okay?
I've seen plenty of emotion shown by the Klingons. Especially L'Rell.
There is more variation shown among Klingons in DSC (and in previous depictions as well) than you are acknowledging. They don't all have such exaggeratedly long heads as L'Rell (and there are at least some in previous depictions who could well have). And we don't yet know how much of what we've seen is down to natural looks or artificial ones. You're assuming all of that.
Until they don't. If you've kept up with the news, there have been indications that this is going to be explored further in Season 2.
Entirely speculation, at this point.
Uh, the ancient humans used a band or other device around the head in infancy. Simples! (However, previous stories—both canon and non-canon—have indeed suggested that Klingons have a long history of altering their own appearance and genetic makeup in various more sophisticated ways. So there's that as well, yes.)
I was SO. F-ING. TIRED. Of Klingons. Before DSC. Now I'm once again intrigued and captivated by what DSC has done with them. I'm looking forward to seeing more of them, and I'm happy to have some mystery and ambiguity back after the all-too-pat ENT story tried (and failed) to wrap everything up in a neat-yet-dramatically-unsatisfying package where their change(s) of appearance are concerned. So for me it's a strength. Obviously you and many others disagree, and that's of course fine.
-MMoM
Neither have shown up.
I've seen physical emotion expressed by some of the Klingons. Their faces are not stuck in one position.
You’re running cartwheels to make it work for you. That's what fans do here, but not what TPTB don't at the office.
That's what they said about the different houses in Season 1, and if it does change in Season 2, it'll only be because of backlash, not divine plan. If that's your strategy, super.
Probability. There's a difference and it matters. One of the characters is the ancestor of a later house and he looks just like every other Klingon on the show.
Not for decades and multiple incarnations of Klingons, then only as a joke, then only in the last death-throws of a series looking for stories? This time around, again, no variation in the background anywhere. Back to standard operating procedure.
I was also tired of the Klingons and am happy they're doing interesting things with them in this prequel, including major makeup updates, but that doesn't change 1) the limits of the new makeup, and 2) the way they're presenting the Klingons as they always have.
We only saw like 4-5 houses in season one, that leaves around 20 more to see.
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