“Jean-Luc Picard is back”: will new Picard show eclipse Discovery?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Groppler Zorn, Aug 5, 2018.

  1. Groppler Zorn

    Groppler Zorn Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I tend to agree that Nemesis is worse than Insurrection. IIRC, Stewart wanted a softer story after first contact - resulting in INS (ultimately). The bits I was able to glean from the Piller book on the subject suggested an original story about an old friend, then later Data betraying starfleet and Picard had to stop him - I may have remembered that wrongly. But Stewart didn’t like the action-focused nature of the story and the only thing to survive into INS was the bit about having to stop Data.

    FWIW I don’t mind INS. It’s a nice TNG story - ok, the Baku aren’t that well developed, and I wish they’d kept the Quark scene in, but it captures the TNG feel quite well for me.

    NEM makes me sad. In a bleak way. I really have to summon up the energy to watch that film.

    Either way, I’m glad that with the Picard show that Trek is looking forward again - I hope it’s not so much that the DSC era becomes negatively viewed overall in preference for a 24th century show.

    I also wonder, with the success of OITNB, whether we’d get a cameo from Kate Mulgrew? That kind of mainstream popularity could also potentially polarise viewers away from DSC.

    Personally I’d prefer an arrowverse setup where several things are on at once, are connected, but separate from each other. Kinda like Trek in the olden days of TNG DS9 and VOY. Ah, youth.
     
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  2. XCV330

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    I'll watch it with an open mind when it comes out. I wasn't the biggest TNG fan when it was on. My biggest hope is it isn't a family reunion/retirement show. Just hire good writers and make sure they're actually writing good stuff.
     
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  3. starsuperion

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    Who knows. I wish Discovery was good and well enough to stand on its own two feet and it's own cast, without having to draw in classic characters since the show is afterall supposed to be about STD's new crew..since they have brought in some heavy names, it makes me wonder how good were those streaming numbers after all...or how bad and what they felt was needed to draw more classic fan attention. I get it. The idea sounds good on paper. Go retro, I.e. setting and continuity, bring in the classic crowd, introduce the new players and give the show that Kelvin feel for the new comers. Then shit all over canon with Burnham's sistership to Sarek and Spock, then shit all over spock's character by making him a rageaholic mess all so that Burnham can bring him to his senses, thereby cementing the new series in a convoluted sort of way, and making their new flagship icon character somehow responsible for Spock's eventual TOS and beyond style and wisdom. I can see it all now. This was a common theme used in the All new all different Marvel books, so as to cement the new character with the classic ones approval and praise.

    If STD is overshadowed by a new Picard centric series that appeals more to the classic fans, and STD suffers for it, then the problem lies in the character development and story direction, which would not be the fault of another Star Trek Series. It will be on STD and it's appeal to fans and newcomers. Season 2 right now has Captain Pike, on the lookout for Spock. So here we have the discovery crew, having to be along for a ride with those iconic characters, and I wonder why the Series couldn't be more centered on its own? Was what they were trying not working? I'm sure that story isn't allowed to be told for now. Best to make it seem like the ship is doing well, lest it turn off viewers, as their faulty Intel would suggest because of the drama behind Solo a star wars story..but ignoring the real reasons, as the result of the Last Jedi.

    Anyhow..hope season 2 works out for them..I'm also holding off on the Picard centered trek coming down the road, until,I know more and have read reviews on a few episodes..I won't redo a subscription until that happens, only if it's worth it. As for the new Pike Captained Discovery and Emo Spock.meh..if Picard's new series is good, off and on i may check out what's up with STD2 but it wouldn't be my focus..
     
  4. Cyrus

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    I think it is safe to say that the Picard series will be more popular than Discovery, at least initially.

    The new series can be both good and bad for Discovery. I think CBS executives will look at Picard as their main Trek series (assuming it is a regular series and not a mini-series, something that hasn't been confirmed yet), so it will get most of their attention. This may give Discovery writers more freedom to do stories they like, sort of like what happened with VOY and DS9. DS9 writers had more freedom, they even got away with a 2 year war arc. On the negative side, if Discovery is not popular enough there may not be much hesitation in pulling the plug on it. With Picard and other Trek projects coming up they don't need to keep Discovey going. And the days of needing 100+ episodes to make money from strip syndication are long gone.
     
  5. Vger23

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    1. Nemesis is a weak movie. It's still 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 times a better film than Insurrection in my mind.

    2. I think a Patrick Stewart show will be great for CBS's Star Trek franchise. I don't think anyone needs to be in conflict or competition with the other. I hope that the premier of this show with an established, accomplished, beloved actor helps all the products from CBS up their game and establish something better on the whole.

    It's an absolutely amazing time. I hope people realize that and take a lot of joy in the moment. It may never be like this again.
     
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  6. Lord Garth

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    Basically my stance.

    Between the Picard show, Discovery, and the Kelvin Films, I think that's a good enough cross-section to appeal to anyone who wants some form of new Star Trek.

    And those who think "Everything made after _____ sucks!", that's what DVDs and Streaming are for.
     
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  7. Arpy

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    Let's hope it does eclipse DSC. I like DSC already, so that's a given. What's not a given is that the Picard show will be any good. Let's hope it eclipses it for the good.
     
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  8. The Wormhole

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    Totally, yeah. The Picard Show will become a massive pop culture hit leaving Disco in the dust to shrivel up and waste away, because obviously.

    Disco's Red Hour is nigh! Festival! FESTIVAL!!
     
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  9. eschaton

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    Keep in mind Patrick Stewart is 78 - albeit apparently a healthy, spry 78 aside from some arthritis. I have no illusions his new vehicle will be a long-form series. I am expecting a "one and done" sort of thing, with either a single season or even just a miniseries, possibly with the death of Picard at the end of the season. A swan song to the character, rather than opening up for an entirely new Trek vehicle helmed by Stewart.

    Compared to the series, Stewart had a great deal of control during the TNG movies in how his character was portrayed. Which is part of why he morphed into an action hero, because he was always pissed that Picard didn't get into more fights and get laid more frequently.

    He's too old now to play action hero of course, so his worst instincts regarding the character should be curbed.
     
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  10. NeoStar9

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    I assume both shows will play at different times. We likely won't see the Picard show until 2020 at the earliest. We don't know if it's a one season/one story and done type of show either. It could just be a mini-series instead of a full 13-15 episode season. It's certainly not going to be 20+.

    CBS will likely focus on Discovery while it airs and then focus on the new show when it starts to air. If it last longer that will continue.

    As for the writing. I expect the writing to be fine. I don't think PS will be the decided of that. He's an actor, a great actor, but not a writer. What will be the issue is people accepting the story they want to tell.

    They've already tried to tell people in a soft way this isn't TNG 2.0. They'll try to recapure the themes and elements of TNG but it isn't season 8 and they're not setting out to make that. This isn't TNG/movie era Picard. So if he's signifcantly different it isn't him acting out of character having gone through 20 years of change. How accepted that is is the issue that is going to be faced going forward. I see a lot of people accepting that and wanting to see what happens next. I also see a LOT of people rejecting that because even though Picard is back it's still not what they want which is season 8 of TNG and things continuing on as they remember them. That isn't going to happen for a LOT of reasons.

    Discovery got and gets plenty of attention in the mainstream entertainment media. Whenever something was announced it was covered in detail. There isn't one time it was ignored and all of season 1 reviewed well. This idea that Discovery is some shunned series or isn't watched is some closed bubble bs. If you're referring to youtube coverage from some people that do reactions or things like that when CBS is very picky about that type of thing and shuts down all attempts at that stuff with all their shows. This new Picard series will be no different. You aren't going to find people doing reactions based around it either. Trek in general tends to be more podcast and social media focused instead of youtube. The little you find on youtube are either extensions from the podcast community or just toxic youtuber pushing alt-right BS on their channels.
     
  11. Terok Nor

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    This could arguably make Discovery more popular. The notoriety of Picard will bring attention not only to his show but the other Star Trek show airing on the same service. I think more people are likely to click on a show nowadays rather than follow it around the networks and their schedules like when DS9 and Voyager were airing.

    Recommended : Star Trek : Discovery because you watched Star Trek : Picard
     
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    Don't misunderstand me. I'm not suggesting the media completely ignored DISCO, nor is my remark any attempt to bury the show or its viewership. I would say that I think CBS thought there would be more collective interest in DISCO than there seems to be. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't know anyone outside Star Trek/science-fiction circles who watches or really cares about the show.
    I guess what I'm saying is that I think CBS thought they were making the next great TV phenomenon in DISCO and it wasn't.
     
  13. Xerxus

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    My favorite part is that once they get Post-NEM 24/25th Century sets, they can do Short Treks with any number of DS9/VOY/TNG cast members.
     
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  14. The Lensman

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    My dad loved the original Trek, loved TNG, was barely aware that DS9 existed, and didn't even know ENT existed until years after it was cancelled. I'm not sure he knows about Voyager. I can honestly say that I've never met a person in real life that really cared about the last three Trek series, assuming they even knew they existed, and yes, that includes my friends that were into sci-fi. And yeah, each time Paramount thought they were making the next great sci-fi show only for the general public to not give a shit. Each of those shows got plenty of love from TV Guide in the lead up to their premieres, as I used to have those issues.
     
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  15. Serveaux

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    For the foreseeable future any publicity for the Picard show will always garner more attention than that for STD. First because the TNG audience was humongous compared to the STD audience, secondly because Stewart (and TNG) is better known than any of the people on STD, and thirdly because this show is new and nothing is known about it - there will be constant rumors, great curiosity and the clickbait sites will go nuts over any announcements.

    How have we gone a whole 24 hours since the announcement without the first sighting of a "Ten Things That HAVE To Be In The New Picard Star Trek?" at Screenrant or some other stupid place?
     
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  16. Tuskin38

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    My dad has watched Star Trek since the late 60s/early 70s (he was a too young to watch it at first airing), and he likes Discovery.

    There are just different people with different tastes in the world.
     
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  17. eschaton

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    You're presuming the show won't be basically about Admiral or Ambassador Picard being a desk jockey with lots of political maneuvering but little in the way of space travel.
     
  18. cdnparzivl

    cdnparzivl Cadet Newbie

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    I don’t think it will cross over or have any connection (besides Cannon) but it’s great to see more Trek back! I just hope we don’t see franchise fatigue.
     
  19. Paradise City

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    The publicity will overshadow and marginalise Disc as fan attention and popular attention will be drawn to Stewart. Stewart is a meme legend even.

    It's hard to know what to do with Picard really if he's definitely off a bridge. He'd either be a Churchill type statesman in a crisis situation near the battlefield (quite Sisko like) or involved some kind of Section 31 style caper. I don't think you can do much else with him.
     
  20. fireproof78

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    That's weird.


    ;)