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32nd century was a big mistake... BIG

ITDUDE

ITDUDE

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Now it can be said.
Trek never should have gone into the future future.
Plenty of stories that could be (and were successfully) told between 22nd and early 25th centuries.
My recommendation (that no one asked for) to bring Star Trek from it's death (again)
  • Mark everything in 32nd century non-canon
  • Delete Section 31 from archives
  • Green light Star Trek Legacy
  • Fire Alex Kurtzman
Not going to happen, but it better if you want to see new Star Trek, in any form within next 10-15 years
 
ITDUDE said:
Now it can be said.
Trek never should have gone into the future future.
Plenty of stories that could be (and were successfully) told between 22nd and early 25th centuries.
My recommendation (that no one asked for) to bring Star Trek from it's death (again)
  • Mark everything in 32nd century non-canon
  • Delete Section 31 from archives
  • Green light Star Trek Legacy
  • Fire Alex Kurtzman
Not going to happen, but it better if you want to see new Star Trek, in any form within next 10-15 years
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BillJ said:
My big problem was that it just ended up feeling like the 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th centuries. Nothing really sets it apart.
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I think more could have been done to make it feel more distinct, for sure, but I really liked the idea of a Federation that is no longer a complacent superpower trying to rebuild itself. But then, my ideal of a post-Picard show (I'm bad with keeping the timeline straight - this would be 24th-25?) would be a show about the Fenris Rangers.

Gee, I wonder why the idea of people trying to bring justice to collapsed or collapsing societies might resonate right now?
 
LadyGayle said:
I think more could have been done to make it feel more distinct, for sure, but I really liked the idea of a Federation that is no longer a complacent superpower trying to rebuild itself. But then, my ideal of a post-Picard show (I'm bad with keeping the timeline straight - this would be 24th-25?) would be a show about the Fenris Rangers.

Gee, I wonder why the idea of people trying to bring justice to collapsed or collapsing societies might resonate right now?
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Btu it didn't resonate, as proven by the cancellation of SFA.
 
Even though the rebuilding aspect sounds good on paper, it's really boring in practice because at best it just means that we're going to be cycling through old ideas ("how do we get the (insert TOS/TNG species here) back in the Federation?"/"whats' become of (insert TOS/TNG planet) now?").

I liked a lot of the first half of SFA but along with PIC it really made me realise how little I care about Star Trek as a setting - I can't really make myself care about the politics of the Federation or whatever the fuck's happening on Betazed, I just want to watch people explore space with new things each week, not for ideas other writers came up with 30 - 60 years ago to be excavated.
 
Starflight said:
I liked a lot of the first half of SFA but along with PIC it really made me realise how little I care about Star Trek as a setting - I can't really make myself care about the politics of the Federation or whatever the fuck's happening on Betazed, I just want to watch people explore space with new things each week, not for ideas other writers came up with 30 - 60 years ago to be excavated.
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I think there's room for both: exploration and the galactic politics. Even within the same show. It doesn't have to be one or the other. But that's a whole other topic.

I'm not a fan of certain parts of the 32nd Century's landscape. I like Ni'Var and the idea that the Vulcans and Romulans finally reunite. But certain other spoilery things, not so much.
Like the Klingons ending up on the Endangered Species list.

I did like the idea of Earth no longer being part of the Federation. That's something that could only be done in a Far Future series. But by the time we get to SFA, everything's status quo again.
Even having the Academy on Earth. Would've been interesting and out there to have it some place else.

Overall, though, I think they should've made the 32nd Century feel more distinctive. It felt that way during the early episodes of DSC's third season. And, even though it's retroactively now the 43rd-ish Century instead of the 32nd, I liked how mysterious everything seemed in "Calypso". And I didn't like all that mysteriousness disappearing in what felt like overnight part-way through the third season of Discovery.
 
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Dull and Uninspired Star Trek sure seems to be exactly what the loudest voices in fanbase want, as shown by the enthusiasm for Legacy.

What I wish the 32nd century stuff had done more of (and what my imaginary Fenris Rangers show would do) is more small stakes stories. Not small-stakes for the characters, but more...smaller stories in a big world. A Trek show doesn't have to show the important things going on. Not every thing the characters do has to be important on a galactic scale.
 
I didn't hate the 32nd-Century, but I wasn't a fan of it either. I do think DIS jumped way too far into the future. IMO, it would have been more dramatic and meaningful if the Federation had sharply declined politically sometime not long after PIC, and without it being the result of a child's temper tantrum.

And I know it may be simply petty on my part, but there wasn't any Federation starship design from the 32nd-Century that I liked. The only Starfleet uniform I liked from that era was in the closing moments in the DIS finale...
 
Starflight said:
Even though the rebuilding aspect sounds good on paper, it's really boring in practice because at best it just means that we're going to be cycling through old ideas ("how do we get the (insert TOS/TNG species here) back in the Federation?"/"whats' become of (insert TOS/TNG planet) now?").

I liked a lot of the first half of SFA but along with PIC it really made me realise how little I care about Star Trek as a setting - I can't really make myself care about the politics of the Federation or whatever the fuck's happening on Betazed, I just want to watch people explore space with new things each week, not for ideas other writers came up with 30 - 60 years ago to be excavated.
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And what certain fans are forgetting, DSC S3 / SFA's setting is nearly a copy of two recent ideas - Andromeda and Star Trek: Final Frontier.

Andromeda had the Systems Commonwealth destroyed, Dylan Hunt landed in the future to reestablish the Commonwealth.

Star Trek: Final Frontier was set in the 26th century where the Vulcans left the Federation, the Klingons were defeated by the Romulans and no travelling the galaxy due to Omega particle bombs that have gone off by unknown attackers.

Sounds very familiar doesn't it?
 
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