Should things like this chart be taken at face value?

I mean it's a beautiful chart and whoever created it put a lot of work and effort into it but I'm not sure I would take it beyond face value and put any credit into any of the connections made. I mean it looks like fun but I'm not taking it seriously.


Actual chart for those that don't want to click the link.

It's not inappropriate if you go at it from a fanfiction angle. Doctor Who is one of those franchises that can be crossed over with literally anything. There was a fanzine called Travelling Companion and one issue was purely crossovers. It was amazing how well the authors handled stories like the Fourth Doctor and Leela ending up in a situation when they drop into the 4077th in M*A*S*H or the Fifth Doctor goes for a stroll on one of the occasions when he, Nyssa, and Tegan spend a little time in 20th century Earth and he's mistaken for a vet named Tristan Farnon (from All Creatures Great and Small) - and promptly ordered to assist a farm animal that's having trouble giving birth (I don't remember if it was a cow or sheep).

There was one involving Remington Steele (detective show co-starring Pierce Brosnan), and of course there were a couple of Star Trek ones - one of them was not only a crossover with Star Trek in general, but also with the Valjiir Continuum (the series of fanfic stories linked in my sig).

I've got a few of my own Whovian crossovers planned - one in which the Fifth Doctor, Tegan, and Nyssa (haven't decided yet whether Turlough will be part of it) meet the Jeremy Irons/Francois Arnaud version of The Borgias, and a Tenth Doctor one that's a crossover with Downton Abbey (Dowager Countess Violet discovers, to her shock, that Isobel Crawley is really a 21st-century politician named Harriet Jones, who was stranded back in the 1800s and while making a life for herself, married into the Crawley family, had Matthew, and basically became Isobel Crawley). The Tenth Doctor finally realizes he should have gone back for her, and misses the right time by only a few decades or so. I don't remember what happened to Harriet Jones in the actual nuWho show, but I just thought it would be fun to try this, as the same actress played both roles. And who knows, maybe Violet might be up for a short time trip of her own.

The very first idea I ever had for a Whovian crossover, though, literally came in a dream. I was really into The Crow: Stairway to Heaven back in the late '90s, and one night I dreamed most of an episode that was a crossover with the Fourth Doctor. Of course I don't remember most of it now, but the basic idea hasn't been forgotten.

In actual Dr Who Harriet Jones was killed by Daleks

Ah. Okay, that's helpful to know. It would be cruel to make Isobel Crawley step back into a life, only to kill her off. I didn't like Harriet Jones and Isobel Crawley could be godawful annoying at times, but she and the Dowager Countess had the best in-story friendship in that entire series.

I'm not sure I understand how this works, the inner ring are things which could exist along Doctor Who while the outer ring are things where Doctor Who only exists as fiction within it. In which case, why is Stargate SG-1 in the outer ring? Several props from the 1996 telemovie have been used in SG-1 (most prominently, the Eye of Harmony staff) meaning it and Doctor Who could exist in the same universe.

In 10s first series they had a Colonial Viper locked up in Torchwood

Timewalker said:

It's not inappropriate if you go at it from a fanfiction angle. Doctor Who is one of those franchises that can be crossed over with literally anything.

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I have an outline for a DuckTales crossover in my files. Phooey Duck, Professor Ludwig von Drake, and Mathmagicland play prominent roles.

And, if I knew who to pitch them to, three ideas for novels in that Penguin Classics line that crosses over Doctor Who with public domain novels. (They're not super detailed, just a page each of scribblings.)

Way back in the day, I thought Sarah Bolger's Princess Mary from The Tudors would make a great companion for the tenth Doctor. He'd want to fix her, even though he knows she grows up to become Queen "Bloody" Mary.

I can picture a Doctor intersecting with the events of James Joyce's Ulysses; maybe he's the man in the macintosh, who is one of the great unresolved mysteries of the novel.

I can also imagine the Doctor showing up to one of Gatsby's parties, but I can't imagine him entering the events of The Great Gatsby. The sixth Doctor and Peri, most likely. His brash coat would be the talk of New York for a week.

Allyn Gibson said:

I have an outline for a DuckTales crossover in my files. Phooey Duck, Professor Ludwig von Drake, and Mathmagicland play prominent roles.

And, if I knew who to pitch them to, three ideas for novels in that Penguin Classics line that crosses over Doctor Who with public domain novels. (They're not super detailed, just a page each of scribblings.)

Way back in the day, I thought Sarah Bolger's Princess Mary from The Tudors would make a great companion for the tenth Doctor. He'd want to fix her, even though he knows she grows up to become Queen "Bloody" Mary.

I can picture a Doctor intersecting with the events of James Joyce's Ulysses; maybe he's the man in the macintosh, who is one of the great unresolved mysteries of the novel.

I can also imagine the Doctor showing up to one of Gatsby's parties, but I can't imagine him entering the events of The Great Gatsby. The sixth Doctor and Peri, most likely. His brash coat would be the talk of New York for a week.

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I have two impressions of that version of Mary Tudor. First of all, I never found her even slightly likeable. And second, they must have used Crazy Glue on her costume, because she was always just about 2 mm away from popping out of it.

Years ago I was in a Tudors fanfic phase and ran across one in which Mary Tudor somehow timetraveled to the present, having been de-aged into that much younger version we saw in the TV series. She turns up naked on a university campus, is found by a female student, and in the course of helping Mary, they become friends. Mary is understandably confused about where she is, and when she's told that "some time has passed," she asks who is on the throne of England. When she's told "Elizabeth" she automatically thinks it's her little sister, and she shouts, "That BITCH!"

Her new friend is shocked; she's never heard anyone describe Elizabeth II like that, but diplomatically says, "Well, yes, not everyone likes her..." The friend doesn't realize that Mary is furious that her younger sister had obviously taken HER place on the throne.

Anyway, it's a story about Mary Tudor's second chance, a better kind of life without men judging her for being her mother's daughter and just for being a woman at all in a world where they thought men had to rule. Unfortunately I don't remember the title or author, but could look it up on the site where I found it if there's any interest.


I've been meaning to read The Great Gatsby. There's a computer game based on it, and that was fun. It made me decide to read the book some day (similar situation with The Count of Monte Cristo - play the computer game, then read the book it's based on, and trying to find an unabridged version in English wasn't easy; I was starting to think I'd have to wade through the French version on Project Gutenberg).

Speaking of The Count of Monte Cristo, one of Ben Bova's science fiction novels, Mercury, is an homage to it. I remember being confused at first when I read this book, as parts of it seemed familiar even though I was reading a brand-new, just-published edition. Then I realized - this plot point and that character name and these two characters' interactions all reminded me of the CoMC computer game (still haven't gotten around to reading the novel), and boom. Wow. Mercury is part of Bova's Grand Tour series of novels that are set in, on, or near, the major planets and moons in the Solar System (including a 4-book arc about a war in the asteroid belt, and minus Pluto; he didn't think Pluto was worth writing about - of course that was before the probes sent back those fascinating photos and by that time Bova was wrapping up the series).