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Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion

How would you rate Superman?

  • You'll believe a man can fly

    Votes: 16 53.3%
  • A

    Votes: 4 13.3%
  • A-

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • B+

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • B

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • B-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • C-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D

    Votes: 1 3.3%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • A pocket full of Kryptonite

    Votes: 1 3.3%

  • Total voters
    30
I also just got back and I loved the film. While it does have its flaws, the overall experience is filled with so much fun and heart. Easily the best DC film since Birds of Prey (still lamenting no sequel), even if that's a low bar for me. If nothing else, this was the most excited I've ever been about going to see a Superman film since the Christopher Reeve films and this film didn't let me down.

What I loved

  • The Clark/Superman/Lois relationship. Well, it was really mostly Superman/Lois since Clark is hardly ever around (and no one really seemed to notice...). I particularly loved how their relationship wasn't easy or taken for granted or super soppy, but at the same time, you can feel how much they deeply care about each other. That's a credit to not just James Gunn's directing and writing, but especially to David Corenswet and Rachel Brosnahan's raw chemistry. This was most noticeable during Lois' predictably doomed interview of Superman and I loved how she didn't pull any punches when questioning his actions, regardless of what she felt or any insider knowledge she held. Strike that, it was most noticeable when they reconciled later on just before Superman turned himself in.

  • The lived-in world of the DCU. I feared going into the film that Gunn might have overstuffed the film with lots of characters and ideas but I was relieved to see that he managed to strike just about the right balance for almost everything (more on that later). I loved that the film jumped right into the fray with little exposition aside from the opening crawl and a few moments of awkward dialogue at the beginning. We quickly saw the nature of the world, its place in the universe, how metahumans exist and how they are and aren't accepted, and the story never felt like it existed in a bubble as a result. This is an excellent starting point for the DCU that easily opens avenues such as the past 300 years of mutahumans, the Lantern Corps, the Justice Gang, Mister Terrific, The Engineer, Supergirl, Rick Flagg, and a plethora of other heroes, villains, and organizations, but the best part was how none of that felt forced or unnatural to the overall story. Even the random Peacemaker cameo felt right at home and I say that as someone who hasn't watched the show yet. Okay, Supergirl's cameo was a bit tacked on but it was still fun.

  • Lex Luthor. Nicholas Hoult lived and breathed the character and he properly captured Lex's visceral hate and fear of Superman. His megalomania knew no bounds and Hoult effortlessly demonstrated the scale of it from quiet moments of full control to the loud ego-driven disgust. I also liked how the film didn't mince words in demonstrating Lex's racism against Superman and how that motivated his every waking moment in his dark vendetta against the superhero.

  • The Daily Planet. Even though it was surface-level journalism, I enjoyed the Daily Planet's role in the story and how it was pivotal in taking down Luthor, even if it hinged heavily on Eve's vapid-but-not-so-dumb selfies. Granted only Lois and Jimmy got much to do, although Wendell Pierce clearly relished every little moment he got to portray the limited role of cigar-chomping Perry White. I know there is a greater cast in that sphere but we didn't get to see much of it beyond the surface. Hopefully they'll get to play a larger role in the next film.

  • The Justice Gang. The name aside (sorry, Guy), I loved everything about the team, from the weird team dynamics to the wildly different personalities. I'm glad they were a group that existed outside of Superman but I was also thankful that they were ultimately allies, contrary to how the trailers made them feel like they were in the way of each other. I'm also glad Metamorpho joined their ranks in the end, even if Guy's reasoning for letting him join was dumb. Each character is a lot of fun and I look forwarded to seeing more of them, both individually (the upcoming Lanterns show, the rumored Mister Terrific show) and as a team.

What I didn't quite enjoy

  • I'm willing to look past most junky science in a superhero films but the anti-proton river was quite silly...and I found it profoundly weird that something so fundamentally destructive to the fabric of space as presented in the film was then treated in the third act as a mere computer program gone array as if the characters were in a simulation that can easily fixed with the right coding. I get there was some big technologies going on between Lex Luthor, Lantern Corps, Mister Terrific, and the organization operating the pocket universe portals (I forget their name and I can't find it in a quick search), but it really felt like a stretch to treat such a cosmic threat as secondary to a fist fight between Superman and his clone, no matter now neat that reveal was.

  • The third act doesn't quiet work. There are a lot of moving parts going on there and the focused became rather muddled as a result. As I said above, the cosmic danger taking a backseat to fisticuffs was bizarre, but having the Boravia/Jarhanpur conflict playout in the background was also a bit unnecessary. It was there to help drive the Daily Planet's take down of Lex, but that could've easily been done with Lex's reckless role in creating a pocket dimension that now threatens the entire planet. Because of all of these balls were in the air, it was hard to focus on the gravity (pun intended) of the stakes when the severity of them were so significantly different from each other. Each of them has their own merit but I don't think all of them should have been coming to a head at the same time during the third act. The primary focus should've remained on the cosmic threat and how it tied directly to Lux's machinations, which then lead to his downfall in the public eye.

  • Speaking of the public eye, while I get the point Gunn was trying to get across about how the public could so easily and so swiftly change their opinions on Superman and then Lex Luthor, I found it a bit hard to swallow that everyone would so easily believe that a video with an unknown alien language that purportedly reveals Superman's monstrous plans. Even if you looked past how quickly that video was supposedly translated and then "authenticated" by experts, I find very hard to believe all people as presented in the film (aside from Superman's friends and the citizens of Jarhanpur) would so easily be swayed and so damn quickly (literally minutes and without any reflection). I know critical thinking is scant these days but as someone who has leaned heavily on it his whole life, I'm not willing to believe it was gone as it was presented in this film. Again, I get the theme Gunn was trying to present but it fell flat for me, especially when he did it again with Luthor.

  • I get why everyone loves Krypto but I found his level of aggressiveness at times very off-putting. Granted I'm not much of a dog person and I do not like hyper dogs at all but his behavior bothered me for much of the film. I appreciate finding out why he acts that way by the end and the film makes it clear that it doesn't condone much of Krypo's behavior as a result, but it still rubbed me the wrong way. That said, I did enjoy his love for attacking Mister Terrific's gizmos (and not just for Terrific's reactions) and how that ultimately came into play during Superman's fight with Ultraman.
Final thoughts

I know I come off pretty critical on the back half of my review but I really do love most of the film and perhaps my issues with it will improve on rewatch. I certainly hope so.

Lastly, I love that Gunn kept to his word about post-credit scenes as reported a few months ago (and posted by yours truly) and the film did not feature any sequel/spin-off teasing and instead returned to the Ferris Bueller nature of post-credit scenes: Just a little bit of extra fun and nothing more.
 
GL could have been one of the biggest hits if they got it right.
Bloody Aquaman has the crown at the DCEU box office. Insane.
It’s such a shame that. At the time, Green Lantern was DC’s most popular hero thanks to Geoff Johns and his amazing run. All they needed to do was copy that and they would have been gold.
To think, if it worked we would have had a live action Sinestro Corps War and Blackest Night movie by now.
 
It’s such a shame that. At the time, Green Lantern was DC’s most popular hero thanks to Geoff Johns and his amazing run. All they needed to do was copy that and they would have been gold.
To think, if it worked we would have had a live action Sinestro Corps War and Blackest Night movie by now.
Dakota Johnson recently said Hollywood movies are being made by people that don't even watch movies.
When those Marvel producers were talking about She-Hulk, Secret Invasion and the other D+ stuff they were literally bragging that they don't hire writers that are fans of the material.
Even with a winning formula they gotta ruin it afterwards. DC just had one L after the other and as a major DC fan it's all so tiresome.
 
  • Speaking of the public eye, while I get the point Gunn was trying to get across about how the public could so easily and so swiftly change their opinions on Superman and then Lex Luthor, I found it a bit hard to swallow that everyone would so easily believe that a video with an unknown alien language that purportedly reveals Superman's monstrous plans. Even if you looked past how quickly that video was supposedly translated and then "authenticated" by experts, I find very hard to believe all people as presented in the film (aside from Superman's friends and the citizens of Jarhanpur) would so easily be swayed and so damn quickly (literally minutes and without any reflection). I know critical thinking is scant these days but as someone who has leaned heavily on it his whole life, I'm not willing to believe it was gone as it was presented in this film. Again, I get the theme Gunn was trying to present but it fell flat for me, especially when he did it again with Luthor.
This bumped me slightly, but I reasoned this out with Luthor has spent much of the last three years waging his war of public opinion against Superman that this was a tipping point. Gunn did a good job establishing that point.
 
As we all know from watching "The Doomsday Machine," antiprotons are good for slicing chunks out of a planet. Ya gotta wonder how Raptor soldiers, humans in mechanical armor, and even a Kryptonian recently exposed to yellow sunlight could avoid having important components of their atomic nuclei converted directly into energy, while they're swimming around in a river of antiprotium nuclei. Ok... well... maybe it's not an absolutely pure river of antiprotons...? :shrug::)
 
IMO, Star Wars set the bar in 1977 for how little scientific or even logical plausibility the audience wants in a fantasy movie.

On top of that, this isn't even science fiction - its stated goal is to evoke a comic book world. Science is nothing but a gimmick in superhero comics. As with SW, nods toward it are nothing but scene-setting.

All of Green Lantern falls apart under two minutes of examination.
 
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Just seen it in a very empty cinema - looks and sounds great on Dolby Cinema.

I think that is the most "this is a comic book" movie I have seen in a while.

I have some minor issues but certainly worth a trip to the cinema.
 
IMO, Star Wars set the bar in 1977 for how little scientific or even logical plausibility the audience wants in a fantasy movie.

On top of that, this isn't even science fiction - its stated goal is to evoke a comic book world. Science is nothing but a gimmick in superhero comics. As with SW, nods toward it are nothing but scene-setting.

All of Green Lantern falls apart under two minutes of examination.
Exactly. Before release James Gunn described Lex as “almost like a magician”in the extremes of his scientific inventions and acts. Being very familiar with Golden and Silver Age comics I expected what we may see before release. “Science” with no logic and reason. Gunn listed Grant Morrison’s All Star Superman as an inspiration. But it’s clearer now it was not so much in terms of specific plot but Morrison’s love of full on fantastical use of science. Which often means using scientific terms to dress up magic.

One thing I really loved about this movie is its drawing on very old comic book sources. While Lex is presented in his modern business man form there is a lot of Golden and Silver Age Luthor here. In his very first comic appearance in 1940 he is trying to create a war between two European nations. He also steals a machine that creates Earthquakes. Yes this was also an influence on 1978 film. Fans often get so hung up on Lex’s “Land grab scheme” they lose sight of the huge power move and act of terrorism. He is much more than a Con Man or Used Car Salesman as often negativity described. Also in Superman IV The Quest for Peace but more clearer in deleted scenes. He is trying to manipulate both the USA and USSR and sell nuclear weapons to both sides.
 
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This is the most believable Lex Luthor I've ever seen, thanks to current events. The culmination of his arc was a big driver of what made this emotionally satisfying.
Which is saying a lot considering this Lex had the most advanced technology and yet his characterization is the most grounded and understandable. I don't want to say relatable but I could see where Lex was coming from even if I disagreed with him wholeheartedly.

More Edi Gathegi, please. I knew he was good since first seeing him on House all those years ago. The man's ready to lead a Mr. Terrific film series.
1000%. I've likewise been a big fan of his since  House (damn, that was so long ago) and I still lament his character didn't make the final cut. I saw on io9 the other day that there are rumors for a Mister Terrifc show, although I didn't read the article out of an abundance of caution for spoilers so I don't know the details or legitimacy of the rumors.

This bumped me slightly, but I reasoned this out with Luthor has spent much of the last three years waging his war of public opinion against Superman that this was a tipping point. Gunn did a good job establishing that point.
You make a fair point that Lex paved the road towards that turn but I still find it hard to believe that the vast majority of the public would turn on Superman. I could easily believe that there would be a huge outcry but not such a high percentage as the film made it out to be.

That said, I think my bigger issue is when Gunn did it again with Lex. That moment stands out even more because it happened due to well-researched journalism (for a superhero film). However, that turn goes against the larger point Gunn was making about public opinion and that's rooted in the public's lack of trust in journalism, which is touched upon earlier in the film.

I know I'm probably making a bigger deal out of this situation than it actually is but it still stands out to me, especially as someone who has a background in public affairs.

Jessie Earle's spoiler (and political) review:
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I got a notification for Jessie's review but I haven't had the chance to watch yet. I  love that title so iI'm definitely looking forward to watching it when I can.
 
That was a great Superman movie with enough Donner DNA that it could (very) vaguely be in continuity with a handwave or three.

That surprised me, as did how overtly political it was, albeit with the serial numbers filed off.

Both in a good way. Nicely played Hawkgirl !
 
It was a great film. It had the action, vibrant colors, and lightheartedness of the Bruce Timm Superman show, but with a little cussin and some adult-themes. I think Gunn did a little deconstruction of Superman and what it means to be a superhero without making Clark a brooding figure like in the DCEU. I do still wonder if Jor-El and Lara-Lor Van's message really says what Luthor claimed it did, since he's not person who operates in good faith, and it seems no one outside the robots seems to understand Kryptonian.
 
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