Sort of like telepathic, implant-enabled social media. We're already practically there anyway.
Sort of like telepathic, implant-enabled social media. We're already practically there anyway.
There's got to be a state that is a middle ground of individuality and pure Hive Mind.
One where everybody is connected, but not forced to share there most personal thoughts.
One where people can share knowledge willingly.
Well, the Jurati Queen was still holding to it four hundred years later. She didn't try to assimilate a single Starfleet officer, she yielded control of the ships back to Starfleet after the immediate crisis was over, she took no aggressive action at least into PIC S3, and she honored her promise to guard the portal. So far, Jurati seems to be effective at changing this version of Borg away from conquest and mind control.
I mean, sure, but I don't see what an entirely different set of people's sins have to do with Jurati.
It's not what I'd want either, but the world has always contained all sorts of personalities. There will always be some people who are highly individualistic and prefer isolation, and there will always be some people who are highly communalistic and prefer levels of connection others dislike.
I expect that in a Federation of 150 planets, there will probably be at least a few million who would be attracted to the idea of consensually joining minds as equals. They would probably be a minority, but when your overall population's numbers are so large, the absolute numbers on such a minority would still be fairly large, even if it's only a tiny percentage of the overall population.
Ultimately, whether the Jurati Borg would be able to attract converts would depend on whether or not they live up to their promises to only act with consent and to join members as equals rather than subsume members' identities. If they do, I don't see how the Jurati Borg are any different in principle than, say, a Vulcan mind meld -- during the meld, both partners merge identities to some extent, but they act with consent and neither partner dominates the other. If the Jurati Borg follow those rules, then it's basically just a scaled-up mind meld with a lot more members. I can see that attracting some people.
OK, I can see that. Thanks for clarifying.I guess I just find it sad that she had to resort to being a Borg to feel like she belonged.
Something like this is bound to be the origin of the Borg in the first place. Implant-enabled social media overwhelmed by a dominant personality that, for lack of a better phrase, wants to rule the world. It then forces the collective to expand so it doesn't get bored.Sort of like telepathic, implant-enabled social media. We're already practically there anyway.
And the first queen was an underappreciated tech developer who wrote the insidious code, but lost control over it...
You mean Lore's son?Or Mark Zuckerberg.
II clicked on that persons avatar and found the ignore button before that poster picks picks and picks until we all tick off the Mod."Alleged"?
Dude, I have never once casted any doubt on what you said was factual. I respect that you had different experiences, and said as much and tried to call this off.
Who the fuck do you think you are calling someone else a liar?
This would be a persuasive argument if these various collectives were real. However, as fictional characters at the mercy of their creators, they can only exhibit the qualities imbued in them by those creators. Consequently, if the storyteller is of the view that a “hive mind” is inherently a bad idea OR if that is the message intended for a particular story, then the odds are rigged in advance.Given that deep level of sharing, I'm not sure it would be possible to share only parts. It's likely an all or nothing scenario.
Jurati has been a good example, agreed.
But there have been other hive mind/collectives in the franchise that were also not good and did not follow either of your points from before.
Examples like "THE RETURN OF THE ARCHONS", "THE LIGHTS OF ZETAR", and my aforementioned "UNITY" example. One can also argue the Great Link can fall under this category... at the very least, it's shown as being similar to a narcotic when linked.
You have one good example, Jurati, against numerous others examples... the odds are just not in favor of a hive mind and loss of individuality being a good thing.
This would be a persuasive argument if these various collectives were real. However, as fictional characters at the mercy of their creators, they can only exhibit the qualities imbued in them by those creators. Consequently, if the storyteller is of the view that a “hive mind” is inherently a bad idea OR if that is the message intended for a particular story, then the odds are rigged in advance.
II clicked on that persons avatar and found the ignore button before that poster picks picks and picks until we all tick off the Mod.
he's not worth it.
You can go back in a week or two and undoit.Doesn't clicking ignore eliminate being able to see all posts made the person? Because in this case, he makes good posts and points on some things and I value that. I simply don't like what that scenario degenerated into when it was unwarranted.
You can go back in a week or two and undoit.
I get a kick out some of the Newbie posters that have a lot to get off their chest. Writing can be some great therapy, even venting but attacking needlessly is only an odd form self aggrandizing oneself at the cost of others.
I would hope most of us have grown beyond that point.
I can't be a mod anymore on any platform because my fuse is too short.
So the ignore is not a once and done feature? Okay, thanks.
I think Jurati's arc points to something that rings true to me: There are a lot of people who would actively chose to share their minds in a collective consciousness if: 1) it was a choice rather than forced upon them and 2) doing so meant the joining of many minds as equals, not the loss of identity to a dominant mind. I don't think there's anything wrong with that so long as those two provisions are followed.
No. It gives future writers, if they want to bring back the Borg like they were in "Q, Who" or "Best of both Worlds", a way to do this. Without the Queen or the Zombie stuff.It also permanently ruined the borg forever. Far worse than anything tng or voy ever did or could
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