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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x14 - "Crossroads"

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So, either the Dauntless is mind-bogglingly huge or the Protostar is wayyyy smaller than I had thought....or both.

Quite a fast paced episode and only about 30 seconds shorter than the last 3. It only feels short.
 
The Old Mixer said:
Yeah, Romulans popping up in so close to discourage the Dauntless from entering the Zone means that the Romulans have already crossed the Zone...the Neutral Zone thing works both ways, guys.
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Apparently not, the Romulans (and Klingons, back in the day) always seemed to be loitering around inside it, cloaked, waiting to ambush whatever hapless starship blundered into it.

Ar-Pharazon said:
So, either the Dauntless is mind-bogglingly huge or the Protostar is wayyyy smaller than I had thought....or both.
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I think there's a bit of cheating going on for effect, like the shuttlecraft-sized Defiant in that shot in First Contact.
 
Ar-Pharazon said:
So, either the Dauntless is mind-bogglingly huge or the Protostar is wayyyy smaller than I had thought....or both.
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well, the protostar is pretty small (how many decks is it, three?) and the dauntless seemed pretty big indeed.

David cgc said:
Apparently not, the Romulans (and Klingons, back in the day) always seemed to be loitering around inside it, cloaked, waiting to ambush whatever hapless starship blundered into it.
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they probably know that the Federation won’t declare war if they violate it.
 
This is one of those episodes where it needed the run time of a live trek show. As soon as it starts, it’s over and you are left feeling a tad, unfulfilled? It was a good transition episode but I’m glad Rok called out the crew for not actually telling them their side of the story. It was nice to see the Xindi again, even though it is interesting it was the reptilians, the ones who really were trying to destroy earth 3 centuries earlier. I wonder what Xindi life is like now?

I think this episode gets a 7. Hopefully next week our Crew can convince Janeway they aren’t enemies. As for Murf’s transformation, I’m a little disappointed. Maybe that’s why those slime worms were considered insults.
 
mattman8907 said:
I swear these kids are just causing more trouble for themselves. If they had just told the truth to the Dauntless personnel when they were on the Ice planet about the Protostar, they wouldn't be in the mess they were in.
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That's the typical trope with most kids show.
What could've been easily solved by sitting down and talking, is made worse by extra convoluted & unnecessary actions that complicates the situation.

Deks said:
Admiral Janeway called him out on the fact he forgot to mention they were kids (to which he just 'grinned' - sheesh, the guy was telling a tale for the sake of impressing people... like he was in a Klingon bar - overembellishing).
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I swear, "Admiral Janeway" is going to demote him for all that "Embellishment" and lack of "Telling the Truth".
Remember what happened to Wesley Crusher & Red Nova Squad.
This guy lied to a frigging Admiral, & Admiral Janeway none-the-less.

He doesn't have the excuse of being a StarFleet Cadet, so he's going to get severely punished later on for leaving out critical info and embellishing the story.

Deks said:
Dal's reaction to seeing admiral Janeway in the flesh was interesting... he did come to look at holo-Janeway as a good mentor/advisor (and possibly a mother figure of sorts given how he hugged her the last time)
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I think many fans see "Kathryn Janeway" as a mother figure =D.

Ar-Pharazon said:
So, either the Dauntless is mind-bogglingly huge or the Protostar is wayyyy smaller than I had thought....or both.
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I'd say both.

The ProtoStar is a "Very Large" & "Very Comfy" Experimental/Ship | Science Vessel | Life-Boat that could easily fit in many larger vessels auxilliary landing bays.

At a "Official Length" of 139 meters, the ProtoStar is definitely much larger than a RunAbout, but not quite "Typical Small StarShip".

Even the "Rhode Island" variant of the Nova-class is 222 meters long
The "Defiant-class" is 170.68 meters long according to Eagle-moss.
Yes I know about the "Defiant-class" scaling paradox.
 
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Im almost certain we’ve had scenes in the live action series where Romulan ships have been in visual range while still being on the other side of the border
 
KamenRiderBlade said:
Remember what happened to Wesley Crusher & Red Squad.
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No, I don't. Wesley never had any involvement with Red Squad, given Red Squad wasn't even introduced until a DS9 season 4 episode which aired close to two years after TNG ended.

I suspect you're referring to Nova Squad, from The First Duty?
 
jackoverfull said:
I didn’t expect to find Okona playing Han Solo and the Xindi were a surprise.
The D’drex look really menacing and is oh so romulan to invoke treaties while blatantly ignoring them. I guess this also solves the question of if the romulan refugee crisis is already happening (it isn’t).
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The Okona and the planet bit were very Star Wars like (as was the speeder chase) Probably because the technology and environment looks rustic and outdated compared to what a Federation planet might be - though, in fairness, it seems to me the Protostar was already in UFP space (because it was headed towards the Neutral Zone).

The Old Mixer said:
Yeah, Romulans popping up in so close to discourage the Dauntless from entering the Zone means that the Romulans have already crossed the Zone...the Neutral Zone thing works both ways, guys.
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Maybe not.
The NZ looks to be a relatively small line of space dividing Romulan and Federation territory (as such, the Romulans were stayin on their side as is)... it doesn't look to be very thick though (at least in this section of space.

We know in TNG the NZ was big enough to have a solar system in it... so its possible its very 'thin' in some sections (like here in Prodigy), and very thick (enough to have a solar system or several) in other parts.

A bit contrived how the kids all blew their opportunities to tell the Dauntless crew what was going on, but at least Rok called them out on it.
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Indeed. Rok was certainly good in calling them out on it - but then again, she IS a scientist. Maybe she should have been given a chance to do the speaking - but its likely the writers intentionally prevented that from happening because Rok would likely have little issue in doing just that.
 
The Old Mixer said:
Any of those were wrong, too. The Zone is supposed to be a light year thick, I think.
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It's possible the NZ is an almost razor thin line in some parts of space (like shown here), and in others several LY's wide.

We have seen on the map that the NZ has two lines separating UFP and RSE (denominating its 'thickness)... and it seems to be thinner in some parts and thicker in others... its just here that the actual thickness of the NZ is very small (tiny), but in other parts of space, it could be LY's wide.
 
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KamenRiderBlade said:
That's the typical trope with most kids show.
What could've been easily solved by sitting down and talking, is made worse by extra convoluted & unnecessary actions that complicates the situation.


I swear, "Admiral Janeway" is going to demote him for all that "Embellishment" and lack of "Telling the Truth".
Remember what happened to Wesley Crusher & Red Squad.
This guy lied to a frigging Admiral, & Admiral Janeway none-the-less.

He doesn't have the excuse of being a StarFleet Cadet, so he's going to get severely punished later on for leaving out critical info and embellishing the story.
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I sincerely hope she doesn't go easy on Frex.
Accurate depiction (as much as poossible) of events is needed to get a clear picture, and Frex behaved incredibly irresponsible here.
He also failed to note that the kids were also acting as surprised as he did when the station was tearing itself apart and Pog asked him 'you think we did this?'... he conveniently left that bit out.

I think many fans see "Kathryn Janeway" as a mother figure =D.
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Could be, but I still think it would have given us a bit more context if he was seen going through some of Janeways logs... so his sense of 'awe' would have been 'complete'.

I'd say both.

The ProtoStar is a "Very Large" & "Very Comfy" Experimental/Ship | Science Vessel | Life-Boat that could easily fit in many larger vessels auxilliary landing bays.

At a "Official Length" of 139 meters, the ProtoStar is definitely much larger than a RunAbout, but not quite "Typical Small StarShip".

Even the "Rhode Island" variant of the Nova-class is 222 meters long
The "Defiant-class" is 170.68 meters long according to Eagle-moss.
Yes I know about the "Defiant-class" scaling paradox.
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The official size of the Protostar being 139 meters makes it very small (comparable to the Nova and Defiant class ships).

According to the MSD, the Dauntless is around 7 decks high as the Arturis Dauntless... however, the external visuals (and the rows of what look like windows) of the Dauntless makes me think its saucer alone is about 9 or 10 decks high. Add another 4-5 decks to the secondary hull, and you get an Intrepid class ship size right there... which would make the Dauntless 3 to (almost) 4 times bigger than the Protostar (in which case, the visuals we saw just as the Dauntless creeps up in front of the Protostar would definitely make sense).

But that means the MSD's are wrong and that SF increased the size of its own Dauntless (which would make sense if they wanted the ship to go on in the field for longer).
 
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Deks said:
It's possible the NZ is an almost razor thin line in some parts of space (like shown here), and in others several LY's wide.

We have seen on the map that the NZ has two lines separating UFP and RSE... thinner in some parts and thicker in others... its just here that the actual thickness of the NZ is very small (tiny), but in other parts of space, it could be LY's wide.
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If the zone is that "thin" at this place, would Protostar just be gliding along the edge of the Romulan border? if not, they would be in the Empire itself.

The idea of borders in space is kind of interesting. Is there an assumption that the zone goes indefinitely "above" and "below" the galactic plane? Is there an assumption that it completely surrounds the Empire? Would the Romulans be okay with a "wall" keeping them from expanding outward?
 
Deks said:
I sincerely hope she doesn't go easy on Frex.
Accurate depiction (as much as poossible) of events is needed to get a clear picture, and Frex behaved incredibly irresponsible here.
He also failed to note that the kids were also acting as surprised as he did when the station was tearing itself apart and Pog asked him 'you think we did this?'... he conveniently left that bit out.
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Remember how in "Hide and Q" when Picard asked for a report on some aliens, Worf said "vicious animal things" and Data demurred describing them because Picard would find it too unpleasant?
 
ToddCam said:
If the zone is that "thin" at this place, would Protostar just be gliding along the edge of the Romulan border? if not, they would be in the Empire itself.
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The Zone could be razor thin in this part of space to the point where Romulan ships could approach it and still see the Dauntless visually within a spitting distance of themselves.

I don't think the Protostar was gliding along the edge of the Romulan border. It seemed like it was in UFP space (at the far reaches of it some distance away from the NZ) already and was simply knocked out of Warp extremely close to the Neutral Zone because that happened to have been the direction where the Protostar headed when it ran away from the Dauntless.

The idea of borders in space is kind of interesting. Is there an assumption that the zone goes indefinitely "above" and "below" the galactic plane? Is there an assumption that it completely surrounds the Empire? Would the Romulans be okay with a "wall" keeping them from expanding outward?
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Yeah, the borders are never that well established mainly because the maps show them usually as a 2D image, however, on a 3D plane, my guess would be the Zone extends only so far as either UFP and RSE extend on the Z axis...

I don't think either could be extending throughout the thickness of the Milky Way because the galaxy is about 12 000 Ly's thick.
 
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ToddCam said:
Remember how in "Hide and Q" when Picard asked for a report on some aliens, Worf said "vicious animal things" and Data demurred describing them because Picard would find it too unpleasant?
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Worf however wasn't that far off the mark with his description (and to him they really looked like that). Frex on the other hand saw kids and ridiculously went off the mark in his description of them to make himself look better. I suspect part of this may have been to cover his own rear end.
 
Charles Phipps said:
I'm calling it now, the Protostar and experiments with it are what is going to destroy the Romulan sun.
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Oooh.... that would be interesting.
But originally, it was the Hobus star that went nova... not the Romulus star - which was later on retconned to say it was the Romulus star.

Maybe we will have some version of these events turn out accurate. In order to prevent the weapon from being activated, the Protostar may have to be slammed into a star (hobus? or romulus?).
 
Deks said:
Worf however wasn't that far off the mark with his description (and to him they really looked like that). Frex on the other hand saw kids and ridiculously went off the mark in his description of them to make himself look better. I suspect part of this may have been to cover his own rear end.
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I mean, he's a Junior Lieutenant in the ass end of space.

This guy clearly couldn't hack it at Starbase 80.
 
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