I thought that was directly implied in the dialogue between him and Picard at the end of Generations.
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I thought that was directly implied in the dialogue between him and Picard at the end of Generations.
Surprised that with all this talk about "The Next Phase", no one mentioned phased Geordi and Ro trying to breathe unphased oxygen. If their hands could not touch unphased objects, their lungs probably couldn't process unphased oxygen. Four minutes, and Data's trombone party funeral is the real deal.
I was going to bring that up as the real plot hole, but forgot. Even if you go with an explanation like individual molecules of air are "weak" enough to be phase shifted when surrounded already shifted matter (their bodies), you still have the issue of then not being able to breathe it in. Unless just walking around lets enough air phase into and be converted inside their lung cavities to let them breathe.
I guess Federation scientists were given a lot to reconsider about oxygen after that incident.
I've always hated that throwaway line. It's such a cop out. Like oh... is that why you've been hanging around here, Billy? You thought you were entitled to a legacy posting once Picard got ready to jump ship? What in your career would give you the impression they'd give the ship to someone who'd never actually had any tenure as an assigned captain, when Picard himself had to spend decades captaining elsewhere before he got that flagship? Hell, the week(s) that they reassigned Picard in CoC, did they tap you then? No? Hmmmm....
I'd rather they'd just avoided that sentiment altogether & let us go on thinking his real reason for sticking around, long past time to move up, was because he liked being exactly where he was on a personal level. At least that (While as I've said is not much of an excuse) still makes him seem less simple & conceited
I just took it as him saying he thought he'd have a decent chance of getting to command the ship himself at some point in his career, not that he'd deliberately been taking the optimal route to get there. Maybe he still hoped he'd command the flagship someday when he took the job of being captain of the Titan.
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As Riker said at the end of The Icarus Factor: motivated self-interest.
I doubt that Starfleet would decide in favor of Riker at that point, though. You'd have Riker, with no significant experience as a captain (save for his BOBW stint), even if he does have years and years of experience on the Enterprise as the XO, and you'd have experienced captains that would have slowly worked their way up from a captaincy of a small vessel to being captain of ever larger vessels. I think they would sooner select one of those captains and ask Riker if he could stay on as XO exactly because he has so much experience in that role and can help his new CO settle in smoothly, and because he apparently has no ambitions for the captaincy anymore, anyway.
I mean, this is the flagship, after all. You don't just hand over those keys to someone who has no experience as a CO.
If the Ent-D had survived and Picard had waited long enough to retire, then it would no longer have been a top-of-the-line "flagship," as bigger and better ships would have come out in the intervening years. So Starfleet may have been glad to hand the now second-rate Enterprise off to Riker.
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The vessel would've gotten upgrades and refits that may have allowed it to keep its throne for a fair few years. The Sovereign class ship that succeeded it might possibly pack more punch in a fight but it's not bigger and it's not necessarily better at the jobs the Enterprise D was doing.
None of the versions told exonerates Riker's accused aggressive lust either, which not helped by Counselor Plotpoint spouting the generic obvious as the subplot setup in how both he and Manua felt they were telling the truth from their own perspective. There's a plot hole the size of Holmberg 15A.
Pretty much. There's no reason for "Descent" to have the gaggle of them in such disarray. The Escher painting homage would more likely have caused that, though any good task manager would see the errant process in the system processing queue and halt it so the whole system wouldn't crash. At least TNG's version of "nag the computer to death"(tm) as popularized by Kirk was a good way to, um, reboot the trope...
Didn't the Pasteur create the anomaly as well via one of the three tachyon beams, not the future-Enterprise?
It's possible the anomaly needed real time to form and then grow backwards.
Or the future-era created it, it went backwards from the start, Future-Enterprise never saw it, then - oops - no humanity at all.
Q probably snapped his fingers to reposition the anomaly into the future, as a helping hint?
In "Pen Pals", Data is acting atypical throughout in wanting to save a planet because of a child. Despite everyone going along and even doing a brainadope wipe on Sarjenka (while saying that there's a chance the memory wipe won't work because they don't have a full grasp of Sarjenka's brain map) because everyone (including Data in plenty of other episodes) knows the Prime Directive is rather a big deal, Data still tries every last hope of what amounts to upending Starfleet's ideals by stealing Pulaski's singing conch and placing it by her unconscious body before he beams back up. Not to mention that Pulaski never notices the disappearance of the conch, which she probably nicked from the shores of Abba VII anyway, and naturally Sarjenka's people will think a shiny god stopped by to save the planet and deliver a singing telegram whose tune changes depending on who holds it. Nope, no chance of any problems with that there... Lore wasn't beaming emotions to him at that time either...
DataLore - Data is using contractions all over the place, despite in the same episode claiming he cannot. Even at the end of the episode and nobody is concerned that what is sitting at Ops might be Lore! Oh yeah, how come, when Lore shouts "Emergency close!" to trap Worf in, the otherwise-generally-quick Worf doesn't go all Bugs Bunny to retort to Daffy Lore with "Emergency open!"
Elementary Dear Data - Geordi leaves the holodeck with a piece of paper generated by it. He's holding it upside down too. Never mind that Moriarty clearly has sentience before it's given to him by Geordi (though props to the idea of "defeating Data", not "Holmes".)
The Big Goodbye also had a plot hole, aside from how wiping out the interior would somehow slice'n'dice organic material and not just the light beams and force fields generating the holo hollow characters, Picard managing to figure out the alien language perfectly so quickly despite the holo antics, referring to improvements (made in 11001001) but they changed their airdate order. Until then, the holodeck just showed fake forests and--
Angel One's virus, apparently created by an alien environment created in the holodeck - along with snowballs that, like said virus, can also survive outside the holodeck (and in either solid or liquid states, and be glad 24th century tween kids weren't pelting virtual snow at everyone's lower frontal nether-regions as a juvenile joke because Picard would look like he had "P" in his pants... except the holodeck was explicitly stated in that anything generated by it could not exist outside.)
And now, back to the filmed-but-scrapped original turbolift scene from Datalore:
I've only seen the first half of TNG recently, but I'll see what I can do to fix some holes.
Data believes that he doesn't have emotions and he may well be right. But he admits that he has wants, the same as anyone on the crew, and at that moment he was more motivated to leave his friend a gift than he was to do his duty and wipe every trace that he was ever there. Even if it wasn't the right thing to do. He's complicated.
In Encounter at Farpoint, Data basically describes the plants in the garden program as being replicated (though he doesn't use that word). Later episodes establish that the holodeck uses forcefields (or 'holodeck matter') but I don't think they ever say that it doesn't replicate certain things as well. I think it makes a lot of sense for it to replicate small objects that the characters would interact with (and it makes even more sense for food and drink).
If the holodeck does replicate certain objects then it has to be able to destroy them as well.
It seems like the virus came from the students who were on the Quazulu Eight field trip. And replicating snow is probably easier than simulating it with forcefields (along with its coldness and the way it melts into water).
The one that annoys me is best of both worlds pt1 They beam down to jouret 4 new provence colony to find the borg have scooped up the all the structures just like they did in Qwho.And left nothing but giant craters where the place used to be.
Riker confirms the coordinates with O'Brien and O'Brien says "your in the centre of town".So shouldnt they be in the centre of the crater not on the edge of it?If obrien is right Shouldnt the other half of the town be behind them if the borg have only scoped out one side of the settlement?Instead we see only fake rocks and plants
Riker confirms the coordinates with O'Brien and O'Brien says "your in the centre of town".So shouldnt they be in the centre of the crater not on the edge of it?If obrien is right Shouldnt the other half of the town be behind them if the borg have only scoped out one side of the settlement?Instead we see only fake rocks and plants
Devil's advocate: when assimilating people there are safeguards in place to prevent their sense of individuality from infecting the collective that aren't in place for standard drone regeneration...?
Sounds plausible.
Still, I'd think it would be a sensible protocol from the Borg viewpoint to activate those safeguards in all cases in which they're reconnecting with a drone that has been outside the Collective's control & communication for some time. You never know what might have happened to that drone, and by the time you find out during reconnection, it may already have infected the collective.
It would be analogous to losing a USB-stick in a place where you don't know you can trust everyone, and then after a few days, weeks or months finding it back there, and then simply insert it again and execute programs from it, without even so much as a virus check. The device is probably clean, but why not make sure?
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