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Spoilers Star Trek Discovery Season 1: Overall Review Thread

Overall grade for Discovery Season 1

  • 10 - Amazing!

    Votes: 9 5.2%
  • 9

    Votes: 25 14.4%
  • 8

    Votes: 34 19.5%
  • 7

    Votes: 38 21.8%
  • 6

    Votes: 15 8.6%
  • 5

    Votes: 23 13.2%
  • 4

    Votes: 10 5.7%
  • 3

    Votes: 6 3.4%
  • 2

    Votes: 6 3.4%
  • 1 - Awful!

    Votes: 8 4.6%

  • Total voters
    174
Yeah. She was still defiant at the beginning portion of that very episode.

Although, trapped in the brig, what the hell could they have done? I mean I suppose they could show her data when they got back to the Prime Universe that the Klingon Empire was divided into factions, but she couldn't trust that it wasn't doctored.

Really, they should have found some way to get MU Voq onboard the Discovery. If he had a conversation with her, it might have made some sort of difference in her character arc.
Or just regular Voq (Tyler.) He went with her in the end, but that came pretty much from nowhere too. There should have been a plot thread about Tyler coming to grips with the fact that he is really Voq, but due to Tyler's memories and his experiences with the Disco crew, he would have realised the he had been wrong about the Federation, and he would have convinced L'Rell about that too. Then that whole insane Manchurian Klingon thing would have at least served some purpose in the story.
 
Or just regular Voq (Tyler.) He went with her in the end, but that came pretty much from nowhere too. There should have been a plot thread about Tyler coming to grips with the fact that he is really Voq, but due to Tyler's memories and his experiences with the Disco crew, he would have realised the he had been wrong about the Federation, and he would have convinced L'Rell about that too. Then that whole insane Manchurian Klingon thing would have at least served some purpose in the story.

I think instead of those stupid gore flashbacks, Tyler should have started hallucinating Voq ala Dukat, and began having arguments with him until he eventually "integrated" his personality.
 
I think instead of those stupid gore flashbacks, Tyler should have started hallucinating Voq ala Dukat, and began having arguments with him until he eventually "integrated" his personality.
That would have been pretty cool.
 
So you think there was a good buildup towards L'Rell being willing to relinquish her hostility towards the Federation? That she had an emotional connection with Burnham, so it made sense and had emotional impact that it was Burnham who convinced her?
I think there was sufficient. Could have been done better? Of course. But, even "Day of the Dove" demonstrated Klingons willing to put aside hostilities for a mutually gained benefit.
 
The reason L'Rell was in the brig for all of Arc 2 was because they knew they needed her for the last episode. We know this because by Harbets' own account they started with the ending and then filled in the middle. Yet they had no idea what to do with her up until the end of the season, which is why she just sat in the brig doing nothing (except occasionally talking to people who came in - and "fixing" Tyler) for five episodes straight.
On the one hand this is kind of blatant, but on the other hand, to be fair, the entire second half of the season only covered about five or six days of story time, so it's not inherently unreasonable to have kept her in the brig during that period. But yeah, it would've been nice to see the story do something with her while she was there, along the lines you and Longinus are imagining...
 
So you think there was a good buildup towards L'Rell being willing to relinquish her hostility towards the Federation? That she had an emotional connection with Burnham, so it made sense and had emotional impact that it was Burnham who convinced her?
She didn't 'convince' her of much, really, she handed her the keys to the kingdom and trusted her to act in hey own interests and those of her cause. She just convinced her that war with the federation wasn't helping that cause, but a strong leader might.
 
So the first two eps with Shenzhou were prologue for the season proper, which in turn was prologue for “death of Lorca/back to PU/wrap up the war”, which was prologue for “ok now the crew are a real family, we can get on with the real story of the Discovery”

And now we have to wait a full year for season 2. What a good way to maintain the interest of the non fans you just spent all season trying to attract

*sigh*
 
She didn't 'convince' her of much, really, she handed her the keys to the kingdom and trusted her to act in hey own interests and those of her cause. She just convinced her that war with the federation wasn't helping that cause, but a strong leader might.

Speaking of L’Rell...

Did all the other Klingons really believe that she would commit genocide of her own people and home world if they didn’t agree with her and stop the war?

Hmm
 
Speaking of L’Rell...

Did all the other Klingons really believe that she would commit genocide of her own people and home world if they didn’t agree with her and stop the war?

Hmm
"All the Klingons?" Probably not. Enough? Yes.
 
5

-decent casting/acting outside of SMG
-production design and effects work are good
-strange choices for setting and characters/backstory in some cases
-writing/ storytelling is exceptionally underwhelming to downright aggravating at times
 
The Vulcan Hello - 6
Battle at the Binary Stars - 7
Context Is for Kings - 6
The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry - 5
Choose Your Pain - 7
Lethe - 7
Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad - 6
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum - 5
Into the Forest I Go - 8
Despite Yourself - 7
The Wolf Inside - 8
Vaulting Ambition - 7
What's Past Is Prologue - 8
The War Without, The War Within - 7
Will You Take My Hand - 6
 
apologies in advance for the long winded post.

I'm finding it difficult to give an honest rating. It's not easy being objective with something like Star Trek, which I've felt so close to for so many years. For several months I was looking forward to watching this series and I fully expected to like it.

In the opening scene of the first episode they showed a wondrously cinematic view of an alien world and my heart beat a little faster, it was mouth watering eye candy. I thought that yes, this is what I've been waiting for... and then the dialog started. That was the first of many wtf moments. The delivery seemed stilted and unnatural (worthy of a comic book), and instead of me being immersed in the moment, I'm left analyzing it and trying to figure out what's wrong with this scene.

The weak dialog continued onto the bridge of the Shenzhou where I got the impression they did it in one take while reading off a teleprompter, and I'm thinking why didn't someone on the set stand up and say "Cut, OK lets try it again". So once again I'm analyzing and asking myself what's the problem - bad acting or a failure on the part of the director for not getting a better performance out of them.

In fairness to the actors, Michelle Yeoh's accent may not have been well suited to the part, and what I found adorable in Crouching Tiger I found irritating in Discovery. SMG's performance definitely did improve in later episodes - even masterful in certain scenes. However, those scenes were usually the emotional scenes between Burnham and Tyler, and unfortunately for me I personally dislike those sorts of scenes and would prefer to fast-forward through them.

For the most part I'm OK with SMG in the lead roll, It's the lead character itself that I have a problem with. I couldn't buy-in to the raised by Vulcans thing, firstly because I think it is illogical for a Vulcan to choose to raise a human child rather than turning it over to human authorities - for the good of the child. Just as I expect that if humans came across a orphaned Vulcan child they would return that child to Vulcan - because it would be the logical thing to do and even we humans are capable of logic. The only way I could see this making sense would be if Sarek's human wife Amanda insisted on adopting the child, in which case we could presume a strong relationship between Michael and Amanda, and yet we are supposed to believe that Human female child Michael developed a stronger relationship with a cold emotionless Vulcan father while human mother Amanda only played a peripheral role. This makes no sense to me.

Further on the Vulcan thing, it bothered me that they chose to use the Sarek character rather than coming up with a new original Vulcan character. To me that was cheap. I also didn't like the communication by telepathy over great distances. I don't think Star Trek needs more mysticism trumping science.

In trying to understand my dislike for the Burnham character I reached back to the past and gave some thought to Ro Laren from TNG. Ro won my sympathies from the start and I quickly found myself resenting Ryker's disapproval of her, but I never felt sympathetic to Michael Burnham and I thought she was being forgiven too easily. The difference I think is that Michael Burnham's fall from grace was entirely self inflicted. She made bad decisions and continued to make bad decisions and never seemed to learn anything from her mistakes, so I found myself wanting her to pay for those mistakes. Which ultimately results in me not wanting her character to be redeemed - I put that down to a failure of the writers who just did a very bad job with her - or conversely did a very good job of making her un-likeable.

As for the rest of the cast:

I liked Stamets at first when they presented him as an arrogant prick - I thought he was interesting and had a lot of potential. But laid back relaxed super nice Stamets became super uninteresting super quick.

Culber was underdeveloped. He seemed to only be there to serve as Stamets love interest, which is a shame because as chief medical officer his character had a lot of untapped potential. I could be wrong, I'm just going by memory, but I don't recall him being shown doing any actual doctoring other than with Stamets.

They put a little bit of effort into Tilly and she wasn't bad as a peripheral character, though I think if they over use her she will get old fast.

Cornwall, though not a member of the crew, was on often enough to be considered a regular. She was a strong and convincing character as befitted her rank, and was maybe what this show was mostly missing.

Lorca and Tyler I'm going to look at together because there was a common thread between them that I don't think a lot of people are getting. I think both characters had a lot of potential but were wasted by the writers who saw them only as tools to do some messaging. These were the only two straight human males in the show, and they were both exposed as having monsters within them. Both of them hiding their true natures. In Lorca's case, outwardly giving the appearance of being a nice guy, treating people with respect and even showing some acts of nobility - not a perfect man, but a man that most could relate to. Inside of course he was none of those things. He was full of hate and bigotry and otherwise a despicable human being. Now I may be reading too much into this, but I'm seeing it as the writers making a statement of what they really think of the average human male, and it's part of an underlying anti-male bias in Discovery. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's what I see.

Saru, the guy in the plastic suit, was ironically the best fleshed out character. He was mostly delightful and could have fit in with any of the best Trek characters from past shows and movies.

Unfortunately the rest of the bridge crew isn't worth mentioning as the writers did nothing to develop those characters untapped potential.

The Klingon war? We saw so little of it - again untapped potential.

Mirror universe? I thought it had a Buck Rogers in the 25th Century vibe to it, if anyone remembers that show. A little too campy for my liking.

The ending? Didn't work for me. It was just another bad decision by Burnham. Up until that point in the show nothing had been presented to suggest that L'Rell could be a partner for peace. You can argue that Tyler knew L'Rell and told them all they needed to know, except that you've got to show that decision making process to make it believable. And let's not forget Tyler isn't Tyler and can't be totally trusted. As well, Klingon grievances have not been addressed, the Federation will still be encroaching on Klingon territory and threatening Klingon culture with long term assimilation. So as I see it the war continues.

What they could have done to make it believable, would be if Cornwall kept control of the bomb. They inform the Klingons of the situation and leverage it to force a Klingon pull back and a negotiated settlement. That would have worked for me.

I'm not going to mention MU Georgiou - well OK, maybe I will, even though I don't want to go there. This is where Michelle Yeoh excelled. I wasn't crazy about her as the good Philipa, but I loved her as the evil Emperor.

I'm not going to touch the speech at the end - I have a theory about it but it is too contentious and best to be avoided.

How do I rate it? Well it's not a 10/10 and it's not a 1/10. I would like to give it a 5 but I don't think that would be fair. I did watch it every week. I looked forward to watching it, but it wasn't so much because I was enjoying it, rather it was because I was hopeful that it could still develop into something good. In a way I was watching and hoping to see redemption - redemption of the show itself

I'm giving it a 7/10. The two extra points are for hope, I still have hope. Isn't there a saying that hope is the last thing to die. I heard that somewhere.

To those people who loved this show I just want to say "Great" and I'm happy for you. You got the Star Trek you wanted. I on the other hand didn't get the Star Trek I wanted, and that's just my tough luck.
 
I asked about the "need" not what the story was "supposed" to be about. "Need" implies it must happen a certain way.
If you are suggesting that the character didn't need redemption, perhaps because she had done nothing wrong and only acted with the best of intentions, therefore had no requirement to be redeemed, and in fact was not redeemed but rather exonerated and absolved of blame. Then I would say that is an argument worthy of at least consideration.

However, it is not an argument I'm willing to get into. I simply offered my personal opinions of the first season, motivated mostly by my own desire for closure.
 
If you are suggesting that the character didn't need redemption, perhaps because she had done nothing wrong and only acted with the best of intentions, therefore had no requirement to be redeemed, and in fact was not redeemed but rather exonerated and absolved of blame. Then I would say that is an argument worthy of at least consideration.

However, it is not an argument I'm willing to get into. I simply offered my personal opinions of the first season, motivated mostly by my own desire for closure.
I was simply making an observation as to what the "need" was.
 
I liked the season -- right up until the last episode. It was too 'neat'. Everything worked out too perfectly. Michael stood up to the Admiral (who was only there in a hologram -- how hard is it to stand up to a vision?) and the Admiral gave in easily. MU Georgiou couldn't bring herself to kill Michael (though she seemed willing to kill her earlier when she believed Burnham to be MU Burnham). The war just stopped because L'rell (who hated humans, or was at least protrayed as hating humans) took power. Michael got her rank back.

I am glad Michael's ban from holding rank within Starfleet was revoked, but I do not think she should have been given Commander rank so easily. She should have been made an Ensign. Then, in the latter stages of season two, Saru could have issued a field promotion to Lieutenant. Over time -- several seasons -- she could have made it back to commander. Instead, they rushed her back to that rank. It took something away from the show, and I hope that she is shown as having some difficulties being a Commander again.

Having said some of what I disliked, I will now go through what I liked:

- Michael Burnham and her arc (minus the conclusion of course). I don't understand why so many people post about disliking her. I liked her; I liked the initial bickering between her and Saru, particularly the exchange where he said her DNA could unravel like noodles and she said "Noodles??"; I liked her early, pleasant interactions with Georgiou; I liked that she fell; I liked that she rose; I liked when she quoted from Alice in Wonderland; suffice it to say, I liked her character a lot. I didn't have any trouble understanding her actions -- at least the first of them came from one simple character principle: She cared about Georgiou, her friend and mentor more than she respected Georgiou, her captain. So in summary; contrary to many posters here, I believe Michael made a good central character.

- Saru (only commenting on PU Saru). Much about Saru was great. He went from fear to leadership; from bickering with Michael on the Shenzou to anger to eventual friendship with her; from being a shallow seeming character to a deep one. I would be fine with Saru being the captain in season two but I would not want him to appoint Commander Michael Burnham as his first officer.

-Sarek (only commenting on PU Sarek). Sarek was wonderful. I liked his actor. His conversations with Michael helped develop both the characters. The scene in which he introduced Michael to Georgiou and told her, Michael, to 'behave' as his last words before transporting, just seemed so fatherly to me. I hope to see him a lot more in season two.

There is much more that I liked, but I'm getting tired for now.
 
After swearing I would not pay to watch Discovery, I found another way to see it and was able to get through the season in about a week and a half. Below are some things I either liked or disliked:

Dislike
It’s Place in the Star Trek Timeline

Since Discovery was announced, I couldn’t understand why it had to be shoehorned in between Enterprise and TOS. It makes even less sense now where Earth literally had Klingon’s on their doorstep and no one mentions it outside of “skirmishes.” If Discovery was set post-Voyager, the writers could’ve done whatever they wanted, even having the Klingons win, but are instead handcuffed.

What’s The Rush?

The creative team also seems to want rush through the storylines. A war with the Klingons is over in fifteen episodes. The Ash Tyler/Voq storyline is over in five or so episodes. There were a lot of opportunities here, but it was rushed through.

Mirror Universe

I enjoyed the episodes as they were probably the most dramatic and smartly written mirror universe episodes in Star Trek.

But I was disappointed that Lorca was from the mirror universe. We watched him plot and scheme and a lot of the earlier signs pointed to PTSD, which I believe would have been a stronger way to go, especially if you only had Jason Isaacs for one season. Instead, he became a cardboard villain, who really didn’t seem like a master strategist once he got back to the mirror universe.

I was equally disappointed by the decision to bring back the mirror Georgiou and then try and pass her off as the prime universe article. It just seems like they like Michelle Yeoh so much after they killed her, they tacked on a way to bring her back.

Like
Doug Jones

With the Kelpiens being livestock and fearing death at every turn, it would be easy to play Saru as a frantic mess, afraid of his own shadow. Jones plays him in such a way where all of that is bubbling under the surface, but it is very conceivable that he rose above that to become a Starfleet officer. Jones has also given Saru a bunch of character bits (the Kelpien noises he makes, the way he walks, the way he holds himself) that make him in an interesting character. He has done so much that I am really hoping for episode or several that explain his origins.

Mary Wiseman

As a person with autism, it was refreshing to see a character with autism that was not either the stereotypical super genius like the kid on The Good Doctor or a Rainman character. She’s smart, but she’s part of the team and goes through the difficulties autism presents without being a stereotype. I hope that her going to “command school” does not mean that she is leaving the show or we will see less of her.

Shazad Latif

He technically played three characters (I didn’t really he played Voq in all that make-up when I first watched). I believe he is a good enough actor to play the conflict within himself between the human and Klingon pieces and I hope we see more of him in the future.

Wilson Cruz

This is outside of him and Anthony Rapp being the first male homosexual Star Trek couple. He brought a depth to Culber that had been missing from a doctor character since DeForest Kelley and maybe to a lesser extent, Robert Picardo. He and Rapp’s relationship was another great bit and I am disappointed we won’t get to see it evolve further.

James Frain

He plays a great Vulcan. You can see the outward cool and collected logic, but you can also see the emotion behind his eyes and expressions. He also seems like a young version of what we’ve seen of Mark Lenard’s Sarek.

Rainn Wilson

I could only take The Office in small does and I usually skipped the Mudd episodes when re-watching TOS/TAS. That was two strikes against the Mudd episodes, but Wilson showed he really has some range, bringing a dangerous streak to Mudd that is believable, while keeping the humor we would see in TOS.

The Writing Staff

I may have been giving them flak earlier, but the episodes have been for the most part interesting and engaging. Season 1 has probably been the most engaging first season of any Star Trek season and even if they rushed through storylines, I feel connected to the characters even if they need to be fleshed out a little bit more outside of Michael.

After all that, I am excited about Season 2. Discovery has a lot of potential; however, I hope they avoid a Spock/Michael meeting. We as fans do not need “easter eggs.” We need these characters to have their own stories and connect with them instead.
 
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