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Discovery starship discussion [SPOILERS]

Lynch wasn't worth his salt. He was a presumptuous jerk. Who the hell identifies himself as "Leland T. Lynch" to Picard in an *emergency* situation? Twice?

But I could be mistaken. For all we know, there's a Leland F. Lynch in Engineering as well.

Mark
 
Lynch wasn't worth his salt. He was a presumptuous jerk. Who the hell identifies himself as "Leland T. Lynch" to Picard in an *emergency* situation? Twice?

But I could be mistaken. For all we know, there's a Leland F. Lynch in Engineering as well.

Mark
:lol: That's my head-canon now.

I bet the 'T' stands for 'Tiberius'.
 
It's not as if Lynch was ever considered a Chief Engineer. Instead, he's seen performing a vewy vewy dangerous special job - I could well see him feeling obligated to tell Picard "No, you can't speak with the Chief Engineer while I'm working, I'm the guy you probably didn't even know is aboard, and I'm telling you everybody else has to listen to what I say now or the ship blows up. That includes you, Captain." in a suitably concise manner.

It's odd they don't name the CMO, considering how nobody calls anybody else on the ship by his or her title or neglects to use the name.

It's also odd to have so few people aboard, yes, but perhaps less odd if this is a research vessel that basically lacks all the wetware redundancy needed for combat (and even less odd if Lorca offloaded all those scientists unrelated to the core S-drive project once that one panned out). I'm still thinking the ship couldn't hold her own in a real battle, which is why Lorca does this Lone Ranger act at Corvan.

The Klingon ship is identified as "prison ship" once, but everybody keeps referring to her as a battle cruiser in addition. I think Lorca just feels Tyler is an idiot. And perhaps also that this will pass once he gets out of jail and has something to eat.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Did we ever hear a Klingon use the D-identifier (except Worf, who'd probably stick with Starfleet naming standards out of habit)?

Kor referred to one of his old ships as a D5 class in DS9.

And second, for including Pike. He'd be a kid. How does he become hero material so quickly after the Talos thing, where he most definitely is not that material yet?

He was already tired of being captain during the events of "The Cage", so regardless of his apparent age, one might assume he'd already held such a position for quite a while now. I think the old Early Voyages comics speculated he commanded another ship (Yorktown?) prior to Enterprise.

I personally thought it would have been nice if they had thrown a couple never-heard-of names onto that list, so that *everyone* wasn't someone we'd seen in some episode of Star Trek somewhere....

- The doodad I'd noticed next to Lorca's ready room meal last week was in fact not a hypospray, but an actual PAINFUL NEEDLE IN THE EYE device!

Was it actually a needle? I thought the special effects looked like he was spraying compressed air into his eye?

It's also odd to have so few people aboard, yes, but perhaps less odd if this is a research vessel that basically lacks all the wetware redundancy needed for combat

The ship can handle 300 discrete scientific missions simultaneously. Which means either almost everyone on board has to be working on about two at the same time, or half of them are just left up to computer control.
 
That ”300 scientific missions" thing - I wonder how large these can be? Is it 300 test tubes or 300 simultaneous planetary surveys? Presumably something in the middle.

I think Timo's right that Discovery isn't a badass warship. It's a scientific testbed which has been useful tactically almost solely because of the S-drive.

If Lorca did get his former ship lost, the idea might have been to keep him out of the frontlines and give him a science ship. Obviously a man like that wouldn't settle for a role behind the lines, so he pushed to get operational as soon as possible.

That the admiral ordered him to hold off on any further attacks might suggest command views him (rightly) as a loose canon who is a liability in the field.
 
137 is a tiny crew for a ship which likely has way more internal volume than a TOS or TMP Constitution-class ship.

But, whatevs.
 
- This is the first space-based Federation Starbase we've seen chronologically (I'm pretty certain), and it's BIG. Not mushroom-big, but still large enough to dwarf the ships seen close to it. It I can't really identify what ships are there (the largest might be the same class as the Europa), but I'm sure they've all been seen before.
Starfleet designs in general look quite nice on this show, the base being no exception. Klingon ships on the other hand range from average to 'a retarded 3 year old could come up with something more imaginative'.

- Starfleet regulation 13982 allows a Captain to conscript "virtually" anyone into service in a time of war. Mutineers are apparently included in this blanket statement, I wonder who isn't?
I was under the impression that this was an obscure reference to TMP, where Kirk used that little known and seldom used reserve activation clause to draft McCoy.

- Yeah, yeah, D-7. But it's later established as a "Klingon prison vessel", which is new for us. I'm willing to rationalize it for now that the computer isn't any more familiar with a Klingon ship of this type and glitched to think it was a D-7 by, oh, let's say, its warp engine profile. This rationalization will only last until the NEXT time someone identifies this particular ship as a D-7.
Much of that didn't make sense, maybe deliberately. Other aspects, such as the shuttle computer identifying the D7... well, hardly the first time writers messed that one up. The next scene, Saru says that Lorca is held prisoner aboard a Bird of Prey. At least they didn't call it a 'Warbird', as in ENT's Broken Bow.

- So ARE there any Ensigns on this ship? Everyone seems to be of Lieutenant and Commander ranks. And Tilly. There was Ensign Connor on the Shenzhou, but HIS Lieutenant rank would've been posthumous. :)
The real question is: why is there exactly one cadet aboard the ship?

Overall, the piece of equipment I really come to love are those redesigned disruptors. With the spikes. They can vaporize a target (nice nod to TOS, btw), but they are also formidable melee weapons. I wonder why it took 52 years until someone thouhgt about that. Yet I would prefer a little more Bat'lething from the Klingons. With the TV-MA, I finally want to see some people getting chopped to pieces by those things. :)

I wonder if they just didn't have the time to build a D7 from scratch, resulting in reusing an existing model, but only close-ups so we could not get a clear view? The ship was the one from the Binaries that kind of looks like Destiny from SGU, right?

By the way, what happened to the individual episode threads? They seem to be gone, but they are not in the DSC forum?
 
137 is a tiny crew for a ship which likely has way more internal volume than a TOS or TMP Constitution-class ship.

If the entire spinning saucer part is uninhabited and much of the secondary hull is storage, shuttle bay, labs etc., 140 is not too much. It's about the same crew size as Voyager. As long as we have no estimate on the ship's volume, we can only guess.
 
But there is no spinning saucer part, save for the top and bottom surfaces (which spin in opposite directions in both the inner and the outer ring). And the inner and outer rings of the saucer are full of glowing portholes, suggesting they are built for people to either work or live in, and thus requiring said people.

The identity of the ship that captured/held/let escape Lorca is indeed all over the place. One may wonder if Lorca wasn't actually moved around during his captivity, but the story doesn't provide too many openings for that.

The part where Lorca escapes poses its own logistical problems. Those are the most severe in the likely scenario where Lorca's escape is engineered.

1) How can T'Rell know there's a Starfleet ship our there nearby, ready to rescue Lorca? A flight in one of those Raiders would have to end pretty quickly or not be convincing. And the Raiders don't appear interstellar-capable, or Lorca would have gone to warp already.

2) Why does T'Rell let so many of her men be killed? Sending fewer would still be believable but would cost her less.

3) What did T'Rell tell the first two guys whose necks the prisoners snapped? Did they have instructions to let an escape happen, even though they probably should have known this would cost them their lives one way or another?

The scenario sort of dictates that T'Rell had the details down pat from the get-go. That is, she had full knowledge of the Discovery, her jump drive and her orders, and a good grasp of the exact costs of engineering the escape. Who knows, she might even have arranged for the big ship to be undercrewed for this purpose.

Which calls attention to how she got that ship. Her House is one of spies and no doubt of interrogators as well. Perhaps they routinely operate dedicated prison ships, which happen to be (very?) old warships.

Timo Saloniemi
 
137 is a tiny crew for a ship which likely has way more internal volume than a TOS or TMP Constitution-class ship.

But, whatevs.
Well, the Enterprise has only 200 crewmembers at that time, so its not that far off of a stretch. Given that the Discovery has that cavernous mushroom farm and a rotating disc that could possibly be uninhabited.
 
He was already tired of being captain during the events of "The Cage", so regardless of his apparent age, one might assume he'd already held such a position for quite a while now. I think the old Early Voyages comics speculated he commanded another ship (Yorktown?) prior to Enterprise.
FWIW, the Kelvinverse portrays him as a senior captain with a shot at the Admiralty in 2255. Bruce Greenwald could not be mistaken for a "kid" IMO.

The ship can handle 300 discrete scientific missions simultaneously. Which means either almost everyone on board has to be working on about two at the same time, or half of them are just left up to computer control.
Or it could be both. 60 guys in the astrophysics department might have 100 different experiments running at the same time and are responsible, between the 60 of them operating in 6 shifts a day, to monitor all of them at once. The 40 guys in geophysics have their own missions, plus the 45 in life sciences, etc.

A single accountant for a company might have to deal with hundreds of different accounts (payable and receivable) as part of daily operations. With scientific missions, it's just a matter of how much hardware you can physically mount on the ship and keep track of at any given time.
 
- The walls of L'Rell's torture room (and the holding cell,which share most of the same walls) have multiple little doors featuring what look like little chutes - this is what Tyler and that other Starfleet guy would have had their heads bashed open against. Maybe it was the set designer looking for an analogue for a dungeon / sewer look, but what practical purpose would those chutes have? Food? Waste? Is this where they kept the targ supply in days past?

- While it does seem to be lifting stuff from the Star Trek Star Charts book in general, it's nice to see that work being leveraged. The Starfleet closeup map of the battlefield shows Rura Penthe, the Mempa system (where Gowron suffered a loss during the TNG Klingon civil war), Beta Lankal (where survivors of said battle would retreat), and Morska (home to a tiny guard outpost the Enterprise-A would bluff their way past, on their way to Khitomer, which is partially visible on the map). Meanwhile, on the Federation side we see DS K-7, Adelphous (a destination in TNG "Data's Day), Carraya (where a prison camp of Khitomer survivors would eventually be established), and the improbably-high-but-still-possible-for-this-era Starbases 157 and 343.

- Mudd and Tyler don't have to have the benefit of a universal translator, but the USS Buran's name should be pronounced "BEW-ran", not "boo-RAHN". In any case, the USS Buran is probably names for the ill-fated Soviet space shuttle, which flew but once unmanned before the collapse of the union, and was subsequently destroyed when the unmaintained hangar it was abandoned in similarly collapsed. Anyway, her name lived on in a subsequent USS Buran, a Challenger-class ship ultimately lost at Wolf 359.

- When Ripper dehydrates, a bunch of CG water comes out. Perhaps this is related in some way to the CG water that moistened the bulkheads in pre-Tardigrade spore travel? Maybe this isn't water at all, given how Ripper gets his groove AND his volume back without having a sip of water on the way out later?

- As Lorca and Tyler initiate their escape plan, Tyler uses the patented, Starfleet double fist strike, that would be used by generations of fleet combatants in decades to come! Someday, someone will do a supercut of all the times Starfleet crews use this move, and this is a worthy addition to the ranks!

- It was fun to see bat'leths in action again, even these wierd reimagined ones. Still, it's a tough sell as a practical weapon in the closed confines of a starship corridor, with no room to get a real swing going. Good thing the Klingon rifles of this era have really awesome triple bayonets.

- I suppose Lorca didn't finish L'Rell off because she was prone on the floor and he didn't want to vapourize whatever potentially explosive things lay just under it. However a disintegration beam actually works, it makes a certain amount of sense that if the target has nothing behind it, it's somewhat safer to fire than if there was a solid surface in direct contact with the opposite side of the target body, which could also potentially get vaporized, and all that this entails.

- So if Mudd had come along, where would he have sat in the cute little Raiders?

- As Saru is monologuing his inner thoughts on identifying the raiders, we see that the chairs on the Discovery bridge are not only not locked down or on little rails like the Shenzhou's awesome stations, but are confirmed to be free-rolling. Hopefully they're at least rigged to lock down when the ship is hit...

- I'm not sure if we weren't meant to see it, but outwards of the helm and ops stations someone seems to have installed flimsy-looking ramps down to the lower front of the bridge. There were steps there last week. Maybe this is something installed to make the stedicam shots easier to accomplish?

- We finally, briefly see the hero transporter room, already seen as the Shenzhou's transporter room and engineering sets. Not much to see here, other than that the console seems crammed up against one side of the circular chamber, and the central doodad seems to have nothing to do with the transporter effect as I was suspecting. Other than that, there isn't much to see here, except that the variable lighting around the perimeter only seems to turn red on the lower half of the bowl and not the upper, at alert stations.

- I know it's hardly the first time we've seen this, but the Discovery transporter has no problem re-integrating people in standing position after beaming them out while sitting.

- Is there any noticable visual difference when Stamets is plugged into the s-drive? Maybe it was a factor of where they were jumping, but the saucer may have starting spinning up the instant before they spored out. In any case, the entire process seemed to omit someone mentioning the cavitation process beginning, and seemed to get done a whole lot quicker.

- I'm guessing it was lost in editing, but it seemed clear that Stamets kicked everyone out of Engineering before becoming one with the drive.

- Saru was surprised at seeing the telescope, which puts his role in its getting to Burnham in question. I still think it was always in his posession, and was sent to Burnham without his knowing what was inside.

- Burnham and Tilly space Ripper via an airlock set which is also new (mayebbe a redress of the . We don't see much of the equivalent facility on the Shenzhou, and certainly not the main insides. However, the route outside seems to be only one deck above where they were standing, whereas the ventral airlock through which Burnham leaves the Shenzhou had at least twice as much tubing to go through. Whatever its origins, it's pretty elaborate and I'm sure we'll see it again.

- I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen anyone brush their teeth in Trek, tooth sharpening sequences aside. I'm guessing that whole vibrating toothbrush fad is here to stay.

- Calling it. Literally, the mirror universe.

Mark
 
Was it just me, or did the airlock at the end look a lot like Data's science lab from The Offspring/BoBW - with the cage that retracts into the ceiling.
 
Was it just me, or did the airlock at the end look a lot like Data's science lab from The Offspring/BoBW - with the cage that retracts into the ceiling.
That's exactly what I thought it was initially. In hindsight, it kinda makes me think about Data's lab in a whole new way :evil:
 
- The walls of L'Rell's torture room

Ah, L'Rell, not T'Rell - I blame the makeup (and hail the actors for managing nevertheless)!

have multiple little doors featuring what look like little chutes

Might simply be how they do ventilation. You know, shafts of hydrodynamically useful size, but also sadistically scaled so that the humanoid prisoner is just too large to sqeeze through even after months of starvation...

- When Ripper dehydrates, a bunch of CG water comes out. Perhaps this is related in some way to the CG water that moistened the bulkheads in pre-Tardigrade spore travel? Maybe this isn't water at all, given how Ripper gets his groove AND his volume back without having a sip of water on the way out later?

With a whole universe to literally tap into, I guess access to water never was his problem. (Indeed, if what materialized above that tabletop in Burnham's cabin was the average of what materializes in a given room during a Black Alert, a single tardigrade probably couldn't have been the physical source of the total amount.) But yeah, I bet there's a connetion.

- It was fun to see bat'leths in action again, even these wierd reimagined ones. Still, it's a tough sell as a practical weapon in the closed confines of a starship corridor, with no room to get a real swing going. Good thing the Klingon rifles of this era have really awesome triple bayonets.

Hmm. The blades of a non-DSC bat'leth apparently aren't sharp - only the pointy ends are. So the proper offensive maneuver should really be a thrust, while the swings are for defense or for unbalancing the opponent.

- I suppose Lorca didn't finish L'Rell off because she was prone on the floor and he didn't want to vapourize whatever potentially explosive things lay just under it. However a disintegration beam actually works, it makes a certain amount of sense that if the target has nothing behind it, it's somewhat safer to fire than if there was a solid surface in direct contact with the opposite side of the target body, which could also potentially get vaporized, and all that this entails.

I'm not sure this should be the case. If the concern is about the phasing effect propagating, then surely standing on a floor is as risky as lying on it? If it is of the actual death ray piercing and hitting the floor, it doesn't seem to be much of a risk - all the previous bolts Lorca fired were very short and ceased before the victim was vaporized. And OTOH, a miss would mean hitting a wall, and that never stopped a hero from firing.

Indeed, in the TNG/DS9/VOY era we see that misses are generally harmless to walls, ceilings or (in TNG "Conspiracy") even to gaudy paintings. Which is in excellent harmony with the ST6 scene where the phaser vaporizes a kettle but not its contents: propagation from one type of material to another apparently seldom happens.

- So if Mudd had come along, where would he have sat in the cute little Raiders?

He wouldn't have wanted to know...

- I know it's hardly the first time we've seen this, but the Discovery transporter has no problem re-integrating people in standing position after beaming them out while sitting.

Indeed, it would be difficult to find a transporter that wouldn't have demonstrated this one. Kirk's already "erected" Captain Christopher, now didn't it?

- I'm guessing it was lost in editing, but it seemed clear that Stamets kicked everyone out of Engineering before becoming one with the drive.

What sort of staff does he normally have there, though? In the early experiments, Burnham ogled for reasons. But all the button-pushing or spore container insertion was done by Stamets himself, right? Perhaps there'd be nothing unusual in him shooing the crowd out?

Saru was surprised at seeing the telescope, which puts his role in its getting to Burnham in question.

Indeed. But this could go two ways:

1) He was the one who grabbed the thing from the dying ship, but never expected it to end up willed to Burnham.
2) He always knew Georgiou would give the thing to her adoptive daughter, but didn't realize anybody had saved it from the Shenzhou.

- I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen anyone brush their teeth in Trek, tooth sharpening sequences aside. I'm guessing that whole vibrating toothbrush fad is here to stay.

...Shall we see LaForge's futuristic no-moving-parts shaving machine again, perhaps?

- Calling it. Literally, the mirror universe.

...Hey, with those 3D mirrors in their cabins, I'm pretty sure our heroes and sidekicks are already thoroughly familiar with Mirror Universes. I mean, I sure know what I'd play when off duty!

Timo Saloniemi
 
I watched "The Tholian Web" last night... It felt strangely relevant to everything going on in Discovery. People turning angry (not evil.. just.. angry, which by TOS Starfleet standards is already very dangerous apparently) by being in the presence of "weird space". It's amazing how ENT connected this to the Mirror Universe, because it really fits the narrative. And it seems very plausible that the mycelial subspace network might cause similar "gaps" in the universe that allows Mirror-universe "energy" into ours. There seems to be plenty of precedence for this, at any rate.

Ultimately, I also hope we get some kind of explanation for the weird Klingons. Are these a minority of exceptionally "pure" Klingons immune to the augment virus that rose to power in the last 100 years, and will Voq lead an uprising of TOS-style Klingons? Can we hope to see anything resembling the known Klingons, or is really a visual retcon like no other in Discovery (because other than the weird Klingons, most of the Starfleet stuff is perfectly decent, if we assume we just never saw the holograms in TOS).
 
I'd credit these writers with fully appreciating that they're doing a prequel, in at least the following senses:

1) There's a built-in self-destruct to this S-drive thing, so that it doesn't outdate the entirety of the Star Trek franchise.
2) If there's no built-in self-destruct to the Klingon look currently, one will be devised by the second season at the very latest, although it obviously need not be quite as drastic as the S-drive self-destruct.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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