It's been confirmed that the killer is someone who was seen in "The River's Edge" (the Pilot), so it's not Polly.
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I think my major point is that Polly in the comics is much older than Betty. They're not even close to being age-mates.
Which isn't in any way relevant to what Riverdale is doing.
Well they're not "stair-steps" to be sure, but Betty is what, a junior? Polly could have been a year out of college so you're looking at a 6 year or so gap. I'm 6 years younger than my older sister and 8 years older than my younger one. While we weren't age mates, we had some years in the house together.
Of course Betty had another older brother (Chic) so perhaps she was a mid-life baby.
Rule of Thumb: If you have a sibling old enough to be your parent, then they are probably your parent.
Betty is a Sophomore; Polly is at least a Junior.
When was this confirmed? Haven't seen it in any interviews.
I don't know if anyone is reading the Riverdale tie-in comics. The second issue (technically, I suppose, third, as there's a series prequel one-shot about the summer before the series, too) came out today. It's a quite literal riff on The Breakfast Club, to the point where the story itself is titled "The Breakfast Club" and the characters make references to it. There was a food fight in the cafeteria, the Core Four and Josie are put in detention on a Saturday, they talk, and unexpected relationships are revealed.
Roberto Aguirre Sacasa has said the comics are things they weren't able to fit into the television series. If so, this story would happen pretty early in the first season, shortly before Betty and Jughead went to find Polly as Betty's not yet aware that Jughead is romantically interested in her. Come of think of it, it also has to be before Archie started working with Melody, given one scene. It's kind of amusing that Betty is reading The Story of O (a rather notorious pornographic French novel), though what's notable is that the book belonged to Polly and Jason had given it to her and inscribed a note in it.
For Free Comic Book Day, which is this Saturday, Archie is releasing a Riverdale comic, which is two of the four stories from the prequel one-shot, specifically the Archie and the Veronica stories. The Archie story is about his summer with Ms. Grundy, and the Veronica story is about her last months in New York City. It's interesting background.
Roberto Aguirre Sacasa has said the comics are things they weren't able to fit into the television series. If so, this story would happen pretty early in the first season, shortly before Betty and Jughead went to find Polly as Betty's not yet aware that Jughead is romantically interested in her. Come of think of it, it also has to be before Archie started working with Melody, given one scene. It's kind of amusing that Betty is reading The Story of O (a rather notorious pornographic French novel), though what's notable is that the book belonged to Polly and Jason had given it to her and inscribed a note in it.
For Free Comic Book Day, which is this Saturday, Archie is releasing a Riverdale comic, which is two of the four stories from the prequel one-shot, specifically the Archie and the Veronica stories. The Archie story is about his summer with Ms. Grundy, and the Veronica story is about her last months in New York City. It's interesting background.
Wow. That was dramatic. Not only do we find out who killed Jason, but two more deaths happen in the course of the episode. And we still don't know why Jason was killed. Although it seems it may have something to do with the Blossoms' big secret. Were those drugs hidden in the barrels?
Also...
And why does that video even exist? Oh, wait, yeah, Joaquin said it was FP's contingency plan. I guess he was planning to use it for blackmail purposes if it became necessary.
There have been hints all season about a "twincest" vibe between Cheryl and Jason, but that was just a red(headed) herring from the revelation that the Coopers are themselves a cutting off the Blossom stem, so that Jason and Polly were third cousins without realizing it. Which is legal, but still generally frowned on. Even aside from that, it's quite a revelation. I loved the look on Betty's face -- "I'm a Blossom?" Hmm, does this mean the Coopers could be entitled to a share of the Blossoms' wealth?
Also...
Did Clifford really hang himself, or did Penelope and Cheryl "help"?
And why does that video even exist? Oh, wait, yeah, Joaquin said it was FP's contingency plan. I guess he was planning to use it for blackmail purposes if it became necessary.
There have been hints all season about a "twincest" vibe between Cheryl and Jason, but that was just a red(headed) herring from the revelation that the Coopers are themselves a cutting off the Blossom stem, so that Jason and Polly were third cousins without realizing it. Which is legal, but still generally frowned on. Even aside from that, it's quite a revelation. I loved the look on Betty's face -- "I'm a Blossom?" Hmm, does this mean the Coopers could be entitled to a share of the Blossoms' wealth?
I kept thinking, "Man, tonight's Riverdale makes The Wire look like a show about puppies and rainbows." I felt like they were pushing things maybe a little too far at times.
I realized very early on that FP was covering to protect Jughead, but I thought it was for a different reason -- FP had read Jughead's manuscript, saw that Jughead knew a lot, and drew the erroneous conclusion that Jughead was somehow involved in the murder. Therefore, he was going to take the fall for his son.
When the Serpent was found dead and Fred Andrews started to look like he was hiding stuff, too, I began to wonder if we were in a Wicker Man-like setting, with a death cult that involved all of the adults, and Jason was simply their latest victim. I hate thinking this, but I keep getting the feeling that Fred is hiding something. Something big.
I'm not convinced that what Sheriff Keller saw at the Blossom estate was necessarily accurate. But Keller isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, so it may never occur to him not to take what he sees for himself at face value.
Random observation: Jughead's mom is the worst. That early scene, of him in the phone booth, hurt.
I realized very early on that FP was covering to protect Jughead, but I thought it was for a different reason -- FP had read Jughead's manuscript, saw that Jughead knew a lot, and drew the erroneous conclusion that Jughead was somehow involved in the murder. Therefore, he was going to take the fall for his son.
When the Serpent was found dead and Fred Andrews started to look like he was hiding stuff, too, I began to wonder if we were in a Wicker Man-like setting, with a death cult that involved all of the adults, and Jason was simply their latest victim. I hate thinking this, but I keep getting the feeling that Fred is hiding something. Something big.
I'm not convinced that what Sheriff Keller saw at the Blossom estate was necessarily accurate. But Keller isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, so it may never occur to him not to take what he sees for himself at face value.
Random observation: Jughead's mom is the worst. That early scene, of him in the phone booth, hurt.
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So great-Grandpa Cooper wasn't just murdered by a Blossom; he was a Blossom. 
What a shocking reveal that was. In some countries it's perfectly legal to marry one's cousins. I hear it's more common among Middle Eastern royals so that the family wealth stays within the clan.
It seems like Veronica isn't thrilled about her father coming home. All this time, she was thinking he had something to do with Jason's murder, but now that the truth has been revealed, you would think she'd be more accepting of him.
What a shocking reveal that was. In some countries it's perfectly legal to marry one's cousins. I hear it's more common among Middle Eastern royals so that the family wealth stays within the clan.It seems like Veronica isn't thrilled about her father coming home. All this time, she was thinking he had something to do with Jason's murder, but now that the truth has been revealed, you would think she'd be more accepting of him.
Wow, that was a very good episode. I didn't think we'd find out who the killer was tonight, but in a way it makes sense. They want to be able to wrap this season up somewhat while still setting up a few new storylines for the next season.
I guess I'm pretty boring when Cheryl's mom opened the barn doors to show them the family's "secret." I really thought it was that they had bottled maple syrup instead of natural
I spent all week reading an Archie 75th anniversary special that had stories from various time periods of the comic, and couldn't help but imagining tonight's plot being played out with the characters looking (and acting) like they do from the comics, it was pretty hilarious.
Does anyone know how many episodes this show is getting next season? I like how they were able to tell a nice tight story with 13, but part of me would like some more time to spend with these characters. Especially when we consider what kind of story we'll get next season (surely they won't do another murder mystery?).
A little aside, but was anyone disappointed so little time was spent to Archie's (brief) romance with Valerie? I get that High School romances are usually that fast too, but it happened around the time I was complaining about Archie not getting enough to do, and expanding on his romance would have definitely fixed that issue I had.
I guess I'm pretty boring when Cheryl's mom opened the barn doors to show them the family's "secret." I really thought it was that they had bottled maple syrup instead of natural
I spent all week reading an Archie 75th anniversary special that had stories from various time periods of the comic, and couldn't help but imagining tonight's plot being played out with the characters looking (and acting) like they do from the comics, it was pretty hilarious.
Does anyone know how many episodes this show is getting next season? I like how they were able to tell a nice tight story with 13, but part of me would like some more time to spend with these characters. Especially when we consider what kind of story we'll get next season (surely they won't do another murder mystery?).
A little aside, but was anyone disappointed so little time was spent to Archie's (brief) romance with Valerie? I get that High School romances are usually that fast too, but it happened around the time I was complaining about Archie not getting enough to do, and expanding on his romance would have definitely fixed that issue I had.
Okay - I admit, I was wrong - but that was a nice twisty turny reveal episode.
I thought it was that they were buying someone else's syrup and rebottling it - would need to rewatch to see the stamp on the casks though.
And I'm quite glad that Archie's romance with Valerie was brief - the actors had virtually no chemistry. If they'd wanted a relationship between Archie and one of the Pussycats, then I'd much rather have seen one with Josie as they had some nice chemistry going on and it would have played up the Archie as Yoko angle in the episode where the Pussycats briefly broke up.
I guess I'm pretty boring when Cheryl's mom opened the barn doors to show them the family's "secret." I really thought it was that they had bottled maple syrup instead of natural
A little aside, but was anyone disappointed so little time was spent to Archie's (brief) romance with Valerie? I get that High School romances are usually that fast too, but it happened around the time I was complaining about Archie not getting enough to do, and expanding on his romance would have definitely fixed that issue I had.
I thought it was that they were buying someone else's syrup and rebottling it - would need to rewatch to see the stamp on the casks though.
And I'm quite glad that Archie's romance with Valerie was brief - the actors had virtually no chemistry. If they'd wanted a relationship between Archie and one of the Pussycats, then I'd much rather have seen one with Josie as they had some nice chemistry going on and it would have played up the Archie as Yoko angle in the episode where the Pussycats briefly broke up.
I had the thought that maybe that's why they revealed the killer the week before the finale -- to get the grimmest stuff out of the way first so that they'd be able to end the season on a more upbeat note.
Yep, the adult authorities have to be clueless so that the teen heroes can save the day.
Yeah, good acting by Cole Sprouse there. There was some pretty good wordless acting from a lot of the cast, like when the gang watched the murder video. Even Cheryl's tightly controlled reaction to learning the truth was good. (Although how creepy was her reaction? "Daddy, you did a bad thing and now everyone knows?" That's how she reacts to learning that her father murdered her beloved twin brother?? That is one sick family.)
Oh, it's been common for royal and noble families all over the world for ages. That's why so many royal families ended up heavily inbred. Although there are exceptions. IIRC, the rulers of the Ottoman Empire were required to produce heirs with slave concubines in order to avoid just that kind of dynastic lineage (because all Ottomans, even the rulers, were meant to be servants of Allah first and the state second, rather than being loyal to a specific family).
Well, she wouldn't have been so quick -- even eager -- to suspect him of murder if she hadn't already had issues with him. After all, it was his crimes that led to her family's disgrace and downfall in New York. She may be happy with her new life in Riverdale, but having her former life, friends, and standing ripped from her because of her father's actions still hurt.
ComicsAlliance was doing that in its episode reviews for a while, putting Riverdale dialogue into panels from the comics. Unfortunately, the site's owners abruptly closed it down at the end of March, so they only got through episode 8. But here's their collection of the panels they did.
I checked around, but none of the sources seems to specify the length of the season order.
http://www.slashfilm.com/riverdale-season-2/
I wish people could let go of the perception that there's something 'wrong' about Jason and Polly's relationship given the revelation of a generations-past and now-legally-dissolved familial link between the Blossom and Cooper families.
I don't think the characters themselves expressed any condemnation of Polly or Jason (who, after all, had no idea they were related); they merely recognized that the potential scandal might have given the Blossoms a motive for the murder.
Apparently she's a realtor in the comics (though she was originally just a housewife in earlier years).
When Betty and her mom were flipping out as Hal revealed the truth about the relationship between the Coopers and the Blossoms, I said to myself, "Wait, they're third cousins. That's legal pretty much everywhere. Not a big deal, and not really incest." Cheryl's parents didn't seem especially perturbed by it.
