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Surely though the books can just have it blow up with no cause known to the characters - thus you don't have to mention any move connection in any sense?

Well, a supernova is impossible to miss. It outshines the entire galaxy it happens within. The movie never addressed the cause of the supernova, merely the fact that it occurred. And that fact would certainly be known.

Also, the destruction of Romulus is a fact established in the movie, therefore mentioning it at all would be a movie connection.

It would still be possible to write around the Romulans -- to acknowledge that they were no longer a major interstellar player because of troubles back home, without spelling out the specifics of those troubles. Maybe a bit awkward, but licensees have had to deal with such omissions before.

And really, I'm not sure how absolute a ban on even mentioning it would be. IDW didn't have the Enterprise license, but were able to show an image of Phlox in Klingons: Blood Will Tell. In my X-Men novel, I wasn't allowed to give Spider-Man an "onscreen" guest appearance, but I was allowed to refer to him and other Marvel characters doing things "offscreen." Sometimes it's okay to refer to a thing as long as you don't actually make it part of your story. For instance, in an original novel, I can have a character talk about reading Batman comics, but I can't actually have Batman show up and play a role in the novel.

But as always, I'm just speculating here. I don't know for sure what the specifics are; I'm just trying to make it clear that there could be various possibilities and it would therefore be unwise to jump to any conclusions.
 
Surely though the books can just have it blow up with no cause known to the characters - thus you don't have to mention any move connection in any sense?

Well, a supernova is impossible to miss. It outshines the entire galaxy it happens within. The movie never addressed the cause of the supernova, merely the fact that it occurred. And that fact would certainly be known.

Oh that's easy, Q appears and says "there are things certain powers don't want you to see" and puts an impenetrable bubble around the sector"

or

You have a single line that says "a wizard did it and ran away".
 
But like I said, they don't have to mention the destruction of Romulus in order to reference the fact that it isn't there anymore. Don't even try to tell me there's not ways around that. Novelists can come up with an excuse for anything. This is just one of those.

Just mention "refugees" or "the new homeworld" or something like that.

As for how they got away with The Needs of the Many? I have no idea.

So if the reports are true, then it seems to reflect some rather idiosyncratic decision-making on the part of some executive somewhere.

Yeah, kind of like what we're discussing right here.
 
Well we don't even have to go to Doctor Who or Marvel to find an extremely relevant example of what we're talking about here.

The Good That Men Do was pretty disrespectful to what was intended to be set in stone by These Are The Voyages (and rightly so)...

Let's just take stock of facts:

- The name Hobus was established in Countdown, not in 2009. Hobus has already been mentioned in Pocket in a context that described it as being nearby Romulus (can't remember the specifics, but I think it was a Typhon Pact book). [takeaway point: Pocket can apparently contractually say "Hobus," and we all know what they're talking about]

- Pocket novels have been taking subtle potshots at 2009 for years now, for example making little side comments describing some hypothetical situation as "ridiculous," hypothetical situations that bear a striking resemblance in the reader's mind to specific plot elements of 2009... At least one instance of a character going out of their way to mention or think to themselves that supernova explosions definitely don't travel faster than light. These mild references and contradictions have sailed under the radar, evidence that oblique references will be tolerated even if a hard-line stance is taken against the importation of specific plot elements.

- 2009 establishes that Nero believes he witnessed Romulus be destroyed.

- 2009 establishes that Nero, a former slave specializing in combat and mining who is possibly violently insane, and having no apparent scientific background, chooses the layperson term "supernova" to describe the Hobus incident.

- 2009 establishes that Spock, Nero, and the Narada disappeared from 2387 Prime following the Hobus incident.

- 2009 establishes that the destructive force of the Hobus incident (whatever it actually was) travels at warp speed.

- Pocket has been deliberately developing Reunificationist protege characters for (to replace?) Spock. Hmmm...

- Destiny: Lost Souls establishes that SCE was able, using readily available technological means, to "dissappear" or otherwise hide and protect the planet Troyius from being accessible to the destructive force of the Borg invasion to annihilate (Just putting this out there).


So what I'm getting at is, there are a lot of handles here for a talented Trek novelist to hypothetically grab onto and invent a story idea around, in order to "deal with" 2387 in a way that opens up future story potential, without violating either the canon or the license restrictions, even without directly referring to any of the events depicted on screen in 2009.

Be very aware that a great deal of lore surrounding the events of 2009 are actually from Countdown and general Fanon, and therefore not banned by the license restriction. For example, if we wanted, we are allowed to say things like "Hobus is a star near Romulus," and "Spock is on Romulus," and "Hobus blew up unexpectedly and the explosion is behaving strangely," and "Geordi is working on designs for a revolutionary new ship," et cetera, et cetera, without running afoul of the restrictions.

I personally don't want to see Romulus go... I'm willing to part with Spock as long as the Unification plot gets closure, but I'd be equally satisfied with either no acknowledgement of the 2009 continuity whatsoever, or just a subtle nod that "fits" with what was actually on screen, but that does not damage the ongoing novel plot lines to which I have become attached (e.g. it would be nice to avoid the destruction of Romulus in 2387).

Otherwise you have to develop Kamemor as Roslin-esque, and I much prefer the idea of her on the throne than reassembling her broken civilization.
 
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- 2009 establishes that Nero believes he witnessed Romulus be destroyed.

That's incorrect. Spock Prime states unambiguously that "The supernova destroyed Romulus." What you're talking about is presumably the part where Pike disputed Nero's assertion, but of course Pike didn't know Nero was from the future. His ignorance of future events does not cast doubt on those actual events.


- 2009 establishes that Nero, a former slave specializing in combat and mining who is possibly violently insane, and having no apparent scientific background, chooses the layperson term "supernova" to describe the Hobus incident.
Again, wrong. Spock Prime is the only character in the movie who calls it a supernova, which he does three times during the mindmeld sequence. (http://www.chakoteya.net/Extras/movie2009.html) Nero only said that his people burned and his planet "broke in half."


- 2009 establishes that the destructive force of the Hobus incident (whatever it actually was) travels at warp speed.
Which is consistent with how Generations depicted the gravitational effect of supernovae on distant objects, even though gravity should only propagate at the speed of light. It's also consistent with TUC and the Praxis explosion affecting the Excelsior almost instantly. It may not be scientific, but it's an established Trek precedent that some kinds of explosion effects can propagate FTL.




I personally don't want to see Romulus go... I'm willing to part with Spock as long as the Unification plot gets closure, but I'd be equally satisfied with either no acknowledgement of the 2009 continuity whatsoever, or just a subtle nod that "fits" with what was actually on screen, but that does not damage the ongoing novel plot lines to which I have become attached (e.g. it would be nice to avoid the destruction of Romulus in 2387).

Otherwise you have to develop Kamemor as Roslin-esque, and I much prefer the idea of her on the throne than reassembling her broken civilization.
Except the Romulan Star Empire is more than one planet, or one star system. If the US lost Washington, DC, it would have a major, major impact on the country and the world, but it wouldn't turn all Americans into refugees. By the same token, assuming Spock's belated delivery of the red matter (somehow) prevented other star systems from being destroyed, then there'd still be plenty of Romulan Empire left over, even without Romulus itself.
 
- 2009 establishes that Nero believes he witnessed Romulus be destroyed.

Well, no. We see Spock's memories of the destruction of Romulus in the mind meld. And besides, those who subscribe to the "Nero only believes Romulus was destroyed, maybe it wasn't really?" theory forget one key fact to Nero's backstory. He wasn't always evil, he turned evil as a result of losing his home and family. It's really damaging his character if he begins destroying planets and killing billions of innocent people if he only thought his home was destroyed as opposed to knowing for certainty that it definitely was. I mean, come on.

- 2009 establishes that Nero, a former slave specializing in combat and mining who is possibly violently insane, and having no apparent scientific background, chooses the layperson term "supernova" to describe the Hobus incident.

Umm, what? No where is it established that Nero was a slave. Not in the movie, not in the novelization, not in Countdown, the Nero comic series or the Ongoing comics. No where. Where did you get that idea? Are you maybe confusing it with the deleted scenes from XI where Nero and his crew were held prisoner by the Klingons? If so, then you should know that definitely took place after (from Nero's perspective) the destruction of Romulus and Narada being transported back in time and therefore not really who Nero was before the destruction of Romulus.
 
If you're legally not allowed to tie into the 2009 movie, then why are you still required to follow its lead?

Because it's the actual show. The show that the tie-ins exist to promote. Like I said, it's the real deal, and what we do is just an imitation, an echo of it. Sometimes we only get to echo parts of it, but it's all just as real. You're getting it backward if you think you can treat the books as the reality and the screen canon as an optional piece of it.

I wasn't really trying to imply that. My misunderstanding is probably just a result of taking your original statement too literally:

The creators of original fiction can do what they want; the creators of tie-in fiction are hired specifically to follow the lead of the canon it ties into.

What it "ties into" does not include ST2009 (apparently), so yes, it has to follow the lead of the canon it ties into, but ST2009, while Star Trek canon, is not part of the "canon it ties into". Therefore it would seem you wouldn't have to be beholden to it.

But you seem to be saying that the "canon it ties into" is Star Trek as a whole, even though part of that is not covered in the license. OK, I guess I can see where you're coming from, even though as an outsider, it still seems weird to me.

We have to accept the entire canon as real, even if there are parts we aren't licensed to use.
OK, fair enough. I admit I have less-than-Jon-Snow levels of knowledge about how the entertainment industry operates.

Like I said, if the canon is history, the books are historical fiction. A historical novelist may choose to avoid dealing with some part of history, may choose to write around it because it's too controversial or because some other novelist just dealt with it or something; but that doesn't mean they can directly contradict that set of historical events (assuming it's not an alternative-history novel). Trek canon is the "reality" that we're writing fiction about, so we write within its established framework.
But Star Trek isn't history, of course. It just seems odd to me that you'd have to be beholden to an entertainment property (ST2009) that is not part of the Star Trek novels tie in license, any more than (to carry it to ridiculous extremes) a Star Trek novel would need to be beholden to the idea of the beginning of life on Earth as presented in "Daybreak", because BSG is also not part of the Star Trek novels tie in license.

Again, though, I accept that you are correct. I'm just explaining why it doesn't make sense to me.

It's really damaging his character if he begins destroying planets and killing billions of innocent people if he only thought his home was destroyed as opposed to knowing for certainty that it definitely was. I mean, come on.

But then again, I'm not sure this makes sense to me either. Are you saying his killing billions of people is somehow justified, as long as he's *sure* it was destroyed? Although I don't subscribe to the theory that Nero was somehow mistaken, I'm not exactly sure how "person becomes mass murderer on planetary scale because he thinks his home was destroyed" is somehow character assassination, but "person becomes mass murderer on planetary scale because he knows his home was destroyed" is a well-rounded character or something.
 
It's really damaging his character if he begins destroying planets and killing billions of innocent people if he only thought his home was destroyed as opposed to knowing for certainty that it definitely was. I mean, come on.

But then again, I'm not sure this makes sense to me either. Are you saying his killing billions of people is somehow justified, as long as he's *sure* it was destroyed? Although I don't subscribe to the theory that Nero was somehow mistaken, I'm not exactly sure how "person becomes mass murderer on planetary scale because he thinks his home was destroyed" is somehow character assassination, but "person becomes mass murderer on planetary scale because he knows his home was destroyed" is a well-rounded character or something.

Well, I wouldn't call it "character assassination" or anything quite so drastic, but I do agree that it renders Nero's instability a little less interesting if he didn't have justified cause to be certain of what had happened. If he were to commence with the Great Smashing on the basis of second-hand reports or something he otherwise hadn't confirmed, it would make him appear as someone prone to instability to begin with. Having him witness first-hand the destruction of Romulus and everyone on it, it's more obvious that the character was responding directly to that provocation, that the door is definitely and truly shut on his previous life and he's informed enough for his decision/madness in the aftermath to be meaningful. That the Nero we meet isn't a man who was always unstable or prone to violent extremes, but who simply lost everything. Nero's strength as a character, and what makes him distinct from Khan or Shinzon or the others, is that he's not some grand leader with a scheme, not an elegant villain, not someone prone to be a posturing threat, but just Some Guy who sort of has to destroy everything now to address the pain, sorry. I think "Nero on the warpath after losing everything" is a little distinct from - and more interesting than - "Nero lashing out after thinking but not confirming that he's lost everything". I can see why others might not think the distinction meaningful, but I think that Nero does indeed need to know, without a doubt, that Romulus is gone, otherwise it detracts something from the character.
 
What it "ties into" does not include ST2009 (apparently), so yes, it has to follow the lead of the canon it ties into, but ST2009, while Star Trek canon, is not part of the "canon it ties into". Therefore it would seem you wouldn't have to be beholden to it.

But you seem to be saying that the "canon it ties into" is Star Trek as a whole, even though part of that is not covered in the license. OK, I guess I can see where you're coming from, even though as an outsider, it still seems weird to me.

Yes, exactly. It's all one whole, even if we don't get to use every part of that whole. Malibu only had the right to publish DS9, but that didn't give it the freedom to contradict TOS and TNG. Big Finish, until recently, only had the right to use the classic Doctors from Doctor Who, but that didn't mean it could ignore the new Doctors. For one thing, that would be foolish, because the new bits are very popular and successful.


But Star Trek isn't history, of course. It just seems odd to me that you'd have to be beholden to an entertainment property (ST2009) that is not part of the Star Trek novels tie in license, any more than (to carry it to ridiculous extremes) a Star Trek novel would need to be beholden to the idea of the beginning of life on Earth as presented in "Daybreak", because BSG is also not part of the Star Trek novels tie in license.

But those are very different situations. Even if something isn't part of the ST license, it's still part of the ST franchise. And tie-ins exist to support the franchise.

Think of, say, a civilian consultant aboard the Enterprise who isn't allowed to go into certain high-security areas of the ship because they don't have clearance. That doesn't mean those high-security areas are part of a separate ship. They're still part of the whole that everyone in the crew, including the consultant, is there to serve and support.

That is, the fact that a licensee can't use a certain series within the franchise is a function of the licensee's status in relation to the franchise, not a reflection of the series's status in relation to it.

It's really damaging his character if he begins destroying planets and killing billions of innocent people if he only thought his home was destroyed as opposed to knowing for certainty that it definitely was. I mean, come on.

But then again, I'm not sure this makes sense to me either. Are you saying his killing billions of people is somehow justified, as long as he's *sure* it was destroyed?

I'm sure that's not what The Wormhole means. The point is that treating Nero as mistaken is misunderstanding the factual basis of the story and the meaning of the character's motivations and actions. It's like believing that, say, Marla just walked out on Khan and faked her death. Or that Bruce Wayne was just a runaway who created an elaborate fantasy of his parents' murder. It's twisting the intent of the story in a way that robs it of its emotional core and also misreads some of its clear facts.



Nero's strength as a character, and what makes him distinct from Khan or Shinzon or the others, is that he's not some grand leader with a scheme, not an elegant villain, not someone prone to be a posturing threat, but just Some Guy who sort of has to destroy everything now to address the pain, sorry. I think "Nero on the warpath after losing everything" is a little distinct from - and more interesting than - "Nero lashing out after thinking but not confirming that he's lost everything". I can see why others might not think the distinction meaningful, but I think that Nero does indeed need to know, without a doubt, that Romulus is gone, otherwise it detracts something from the character.

Absolutely. The film's clear intent is to paint Nero as a tragic figure -- a man who was broken by one terrible day that cost him everything and is driven by his pain and loss. One of my favorite things about the film is the way his death scene is handled. The destruction of the Narada isn't portrayed as some macho fist-pumping triumph for the heroes, but as a moment of solemnity and tragedy. The direction, cinematography, and music in Nero's final moments deliberately echo George Kirk's final moments at the beginning of the film. This creates a parallel between the two, both family men who are driven by love for their wives and unborn children, but manifesting that love in two opposing ways, one protective and heroic, the other vengeful and destructive. It's an incredibly inept misreading of the artistry of the film, never mind its explicit dialogue from Spock Prime, to come away with the belief that Nero was just some evil lunatic motivated by nothing but delusions.
 
I'm sure that's not what The Wormhole means. The point is that treating Nero as mistaken is misunderstanding the factual basis of the story and the meaning of the character's motivations and actions. It's like believing that, say, Marla just walked out on Khan and faked her death. Or that Bruce Wayne was just a runaway who created an elaborate fantasy of his parents' murder. It's twisting the intent of the story in a way that robs it of its emotional core and also misreads some of its clear facts.

Well, I mean, to be fair, Christopher: do you think the factual basis of TATV was that it was an incorrect holodeck situation? I don't think Berman would think that TGTMD kept true to the emotional core that he'd intended for that episode. And I mean, how many times have you yourself ignored the intention of the writer of an episode in order to create an output that made more sense and held together better? :p

Granted, you gave plenty of evidence to show that saying "Romulus wasn't really destroyed" would be just bad writing (of course, even if it wasn't tie-in fiction, I'd say that in this case, and I'm speaking as someone that thought the 2009 film was around a 6-7/10), but this argument doesn't seem to hold up as a generality. It really feels more like, so long as you hold to the letter of the franchise, your output is good, and you're not attacking it (unless it's a near-universally-regarded bad episode, I suppose?) you don't need to worry about the spirit of intention too much.

(And TGTMD almost feels more damaging to Berman's character than this direction would be to Nero's, which given that he's a real person is a little worse, even if TATV sucked. :p )

Though man, now I'm wondering if I'm a hypocrite for being far more annoyed at the Broken Bow novelization than the framing story for TGTMD, because the more I think about it, the more similar they feel. Only difference is nearly everyone but Berman hated TATV.
 
...While they were advancing pretty quickly for several years, the current plan is apparently to slow down and stay in 2386 for the time being. Recall that the DS9 post-finale novels took seven years to cover 2376. There's no need to rush.

This makes me wonder why the timeline rocketed to late 2385 for "The Fall", when 2384 had hardly even been touched on. We had the three TNG novels by David Mack, and a little tidbit from DS9 in 2384, but other than that, there was nothing. Does anyone know why they went all the way to 2385 so quickly?

At this point, we've had no Titan in 2383 or 2384 or the first 9 months of 2385; no DS9 stories in 2384 or early 2385; TNG has the three novels by Mack in 2384, but only those stories. Nothing for early 2385 either; and Voyager hasn't gotten there yet. I think Christopher's DTI ebook was in 2384 as well, but other than those, nada (that I can remember).

Weird..
 
2385 because DRG3 had established it'd take that long for the new station to be up and running, and they wanted to start there.
 
That awkward moment when tie-in novels can't legally tie-in. Oops.

Mark Winegartner's Godfather novels are like that. They take place around The Godfather Part II and set up The Godfather Part III without actually touching the films because they were licensed by the Puzo estate, not by Paramount. (Which led to Paramount suing for copyright infringement when Ed Falco's The Family Corleone, which was based on Puzo's script for the fourth film, came out.) Yet, it's clear in reading the books what's going on and how Winegartner's story relates back to the films.

I've thought a similar approach might work for the destruction of Romulus -- tell a story around it, but one that doesn't touch it. I don't know what the story looks like, and depending on the author I'd like to read it.
 
2385 because DRG3 had established it'd take that long for the new station to be up and running, and they wanted to start there.

Really? That's why they basically skipped 2384? Wow. I never heard that it was DRG3's choice. Odd that editorial would go with that, especially if getting to 2387 too soon is a worry of theirs..
 
I suppose it makes sense that we'd want to jump forward to when the new DS9 is actually operational, and it wouldn't be logical to have it up and running in a couple of months. So I guess it was sort of unavoidable and inevitable that the DS9 story (and the beginning of The Fall) would jump forward.
 
But then again, I'm not sure this makes sense to me either. Are you saying his killing billions of people is somehow justified, as long as he's *sure* it was destroyed?

Certainly not justifiable, but it is kind of understandable. Nero's backstory is that he was just a working class grunt commanding his own mining ship to provide a living. He wasn't evil or villainous, just an ordinary guy trying to get by in the universe. It's the destruction of his home and loss of his family and loved ones that sets him off into a murderous rage and motivates him to begin destroying planets. To make such a radical change in you life just because you think something has happened makes no real sense at all. Besides, let's assume for a moment that Nero was out somewhere clear of the supernova when it all goes down. He gets word that Romulus is destroyed. Wouldn't you think he'd try to confirm that this really did happen and the fate of his loved ones? Would he really just take the news of Romulus's destruction at face value, assume anyone he cared about has died and then automatically start destroying planets? People have been known to be in denial over the loss of loved ones when there's more solid evidence of their death than what we're discussing here. I would think that if Nero is doing what he's doing as a reaction to the loss of his family, he must be certain beyond a doubt they are gone, and not just assuming they are with no proof whatsoever.

2385 because DRG3 had established it'd take that long for the new station to be up and running, and they wanted to start there.

Really? That's why they basically skipped 2384? Wow. I never heard that it was DRG3's choice. Odd that editorial would go with that, especially if getting to 2387 too soon is a worry of theirs..

To be fair, I doubt DRG made that call all on his own. Sure, he said in Raise the Dawn when the new DS9 would be built, but it was the decision of whoever planned out The Fall to begin the story with the new DS9 completed, and therefore they would have to stick with the date that was pre-established for when that would happen.
 
Well, I mean, to be fair, Christopher: do you think the factual basis of TATV was that it was an incorrect holodeck situation?

That's a different matter, though. Believing that Nero imagined Romulus's destruction isn't just reinterpreting the meaning of the story's content -- it's actively ignoring the facts. It is a fact that Spock Prime said Romulus was destroyed by a supernova. Spock Prime's testimony corroborates and expands upon Nero's, so we know for a fact that it is not simply Nero's delusion.

It's one thing to accept the facts of a story -- that Riker watched a holodeck simulation of Trip's death -- and reinterpret it within the limits of those established facts. TGTMD is entirely consistent with the fact that Riker watched that holodeck simulation; it merely reinterprets the origins and meaning of the simulation. It's another thing entirely to ignore or misrepresent the unambiguous facts of a story. Saying that Nero was the one who referred to a supernova is not a reinterpretation, it's simply wrong, because the fact, as proven by the transcript, is that the word "supernova" was spoken only by Spock Prime.

There's always room in an intelligent, informed debate for differing interpretations of what the facts mean. But getting the facts wrong is another matter altogether. We should start out by being on the same page about the facts before we start assessing what they mean.



I don't think Berman would think that TGTMD kept true to the emotional core that he'd intended for that episode. And I mean, how many times have you yourself ignored the intention of the writer of an episode in order to create an output that made more sense and held together better? :p

But saying Nero was delusional, and that Spock Prime somehow shared in his delusion, hardly makes more sense or holds together better. Despite the opinions of a vocal minority, ST'09 is actually a pretty good story from a character and emotional perspective. The science may be ridiculous, but that's par for the course for Trek movies (I still say the Genesis Device is one of the stupidest, most nonsensical ideas in Trek history). Nero may be a little underdeveloped, but his motivation is understandable and sympathetic, and as I said, there's a nice symmetry between Nero and George Kirk and the sacrifices they make out of love for their wives and unborn children. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I think even Berman and Braga might not dispute that TATV was "broke." I believe they've admitted that their "love letter to the fans" was a misfire. Trip's sacrifice wasn't believably motivated and had no emotional core; it was just a gratuitous, tacked-on plot device that had him act completely out of character in order to bring about a lead character's death for shock value. And the part that did carry emotional weight and believability -- the reactions of the other characters to Trip's death, or at least his absence from their lives -- did get preserved by the novels, after a fashion.



That awkward moment when tie-in novels can't legally tie-in. Oops.

Mark Winegartner's Godfather novels are like that. They take place around The Godfather Part II and set up The Godfather Part III without actually touching the films because they were licensed by the Puzo estate, not by Paramount. (Which led to Paramount suing for copyright infringement when Ed Falco's The Family Corleone, which was based on Puzo's script for the fourth film, came out.) Yet, it's clear in reading the books what's going on and how Winegartner's story relates back to the films.

Then there are all those early Doctor Who: The New Adventures novels featuring characters who were veterans of the Dalek wars and settings on the periphery of the Dalek wars, and that had characters talking about the Daleks and the threat they posed and their experiences fighting them, but never actually featured an appearance by the Daleks, because they didn't have the rights. I found it interesting that they could use the name and the concepts but not have them actually appear. Kind of like how I could talk about Spider-Man in my X-Men novel (and vice versa) but not actually have him appear in the scene. And different from the kind of arrangement where you can't even mention something, like in the Australian K-9 series that indirectly alludes to species or events from the Doctor Who universe but can't come right out and mention the Doctor or the TARDIS or any of that. There seem to be a variety of different ways that the line is drawn in these cases.
 
As I recall, Marvel's first line of licensed STAR TREK comics were technically not allowed to use anything from the original TV series, but could only reference TMP, although the writers inevitably fudged things a bit . ...
 
As I recall, Marvel's first line of licensed STAR TREK comics were technically not allowed to use anything from the original TV series, but could only reference TMP, although the writers inevitably fudged things a bit . ...

Reposting my list of all the TOS references they snuck in anyway:
  • Issue #4 & 6: Admiral Fitzpatrick (from "The Trouble With Tribbles")
  • #5: Klingon mind-sifter
  • #6: Ensign Kirk's service on the Republic (though the story contradicts what "Obsession" established about the Farragut being Kirk's first deep-space assignment); pilot-era uniforms
  • #8: Mr. Kyle
  • #8 & 13: Klingon stasis weapon (from "More Tribbles, More Troubles") -- only referenced in #8 but actually used in #13
  • #8, 10, 17: the Prime Directive
  • #9: A TOS-style USS Endeavor; pilot-era uniforms; "transtater" [sic] as basis of Starfleet tech
  • #11: Mr. DeSalle; Berthold rays and a reference to Omicron Ceti; mentions of Carolyn Palamas and Mira Romaine
  • #12: Galactic barrier and references to the Valiant and Enterprise encountering it; discussion of Kirk/Rand romantic tension; a Class J cargo ship; "Jeffries tube" [sic]; Elba II referenced
  • #13: Joanna McCoy, and a reference to her time as a nurse on Cerberus ("The Survivor"); the Organian Peace Treaty; pergium; "pon far" [sic] and its 7-year cycle; engines in "red zone proximity" with four hours to blow ("The Savage Curtain"); choriocytosis and strobolin ("The Pirates of Orion")
  • #14: "Class M" planet; Hodgkins' Law of Parallel Planetary Development
  • #14, 15: cordrazine
  • #14, 16: neutronium
  • #15: cloaking device; Antosians and their metamorphic abilities ("Whom Gods Destroy"); Argan sur-snake ("The Ambergris Element"); the Vulcan inner eyelid ("Operation: Annihilate"); alternative terms for mind-meld such as "mind-touch" and "mind-fusion"
  • #16: Matter transmuters reminiscent of those from "Catspaw"
  • #17: tritanium

So that's three canonical non-TMP characters who slipped past the radar and actually appeared in the comic: Admiral Fitzpatrick, Mr. Kyle, and Mr. DeSalle. Four if you count Joanna McCoy, whose existence was established onscreen in TAS: "The Survivor."
 
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