Wiped Episode Discoveries

[Candlelight]

Sorry, little beind the times on the info, what did happen to the Australian prints? Were they video or film?

Overseas broadcasts prior to the mid-70s were 16mm film. From season 10/11 onwards broadcasters started to request 2" quad tapes.

Power:

Australia - Returned to BBC London in 1975
New Zealand - Sent to Singapore in 1972 (IE there were only two sets of prints sent round the world over three countries)

Evil:

Australia - Returned to BBC London in 1975
New Zealand - Junked by the NZBC prior to 1974

If you want some bedtime reading, you can look here:

http://missingepisodes.blogspot.co.nz/p/howmanyprints.html

Though parts of the bicycle chain is out of date in light of new information, and I hope to update it in the coming months.

 

[Mr Awe]

I've been hoping for precisely this since the show returned to see the very dynamic that diankra referred to. Even though I knew Tom Baker was going to appear (or rather knew he made the claim), I still hoped The Curator was going to be Ian. Huge miss opportunity, one that doesn't quite work as well with Peter Capaldi.

Agreed. Another huge missed opportunity, up there with the Brig not appearing in DW proper.

Although, William Russell isn't in the best of health. I met him at the 50th celebration and he was very cheerful, but you could tell he wasn't quite all there. I think he's almost 90! So, he may not have been up to appearing.

Mr Awe

He managed An Adventure in Space and Time just fine.

I wonder where he had to go to shoot his scene for An Advtenture . . .? Maybe it was closer to home whereas travelling to Cardiff for Day of the Doctor could've been problematic?

I'm not sure. But, I too was hoping he'd appear in Day of the Doctor! They did put Ian's name on the school sign though! Not the same but a nice touch.

Mr Awe

 

[Mr Awe]

^ Just checked, An Adventure in Space and Time was filmed in London. I'm sure it was much easier for William Russell to get there than Cardiff!

 

[Photoman15]

Do Doctor Who cast members have to jog or walk to Cardiff to be in an episode? I would think a limo or car would be able to take them.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ He's 89 so a long ride could still be problematic. I don't know that is the issue though, just hypothesizing.

 

[Rarewolf]

^ Just checked, An Adventure in Space and Time was filmed in London. I'm sure it was much easier for William Russell to get there than Cardiff!

He enjoys travelling.

He keeps himself pretty busy on the signing circuit of late; 5 years ago I made special effort to meet him - one of the last classic companions I hadn't met and I had to - after all my name is Ian!, he's done at least 6 signings this year, another 4 lined up already, including Glasgow, Middlesbrough (the next day!) and Belfast.

When I met him in February he said he was annoyed all he was offered these days is cameos.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ I met him in London at the 50th Celebrations. Very nice man! Glad he enjoys travelling! He's doing well for being nearly 90!

 

[Lonemagpie]

You're all absolutely right, it would have been awesome to see. However, hasn't NuWho established that because of their exposure to the Tardis, Ian and Barbara aren't aging? I vaguely remember hearing that somewhere.

Yes, that is mentioned in SJA, which I would be okay with ignoring if it meant a William Russell cameo. But even if you want to acknowledge it, there are ways to work around it, too.

It's actually said in SJA that it's *rumoured* Ian and Babs don't age, not that they definitely don't.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

You're all absolutely right, it would have been awesome to see. However, hasn't NuWho established that because of their exposure to the Tardis, Ian and Barbara aren't aging? I vaguely remember hearing that somewhere.

Yes, that is mentioned in SJA, which I would be okay with ignoring if it meant a William Russell cameo. But even if you want to acknowledge it, there are ways to work around it, too.

It's actually said in SJA that it's *rumoured* Ian and Babs don't age, not that they definitely don't.

Exactly. I'll take Ian's appearance on "The Crusade" video over Sarah Jane's "rumours."

 

[Lonemagpie]

Yes, that is mentioned in SJA, which I would be okay with ignoring if it meant a William Russell cameo. But even if you want to acknowledge it, there are ways to work around it, too.

It's actually said in SJA that it's *rumoured* Ian and Babs don't age, not that they definitely don't.

Exactly. I'll take Ian's appearance on "The Crusade" video over Sarah Jane's "rumours."

The Crusade video intro as canonical as any screen appearance to me.

 

[inflatabledalek]

Planet 55 have formally announced they aren't currently working on animating any Who episodes and there are no plans to do any more, cue mass speculation they don't need to animate the rest of The Underwater Menace because Phil Morris has found them but won't be handing them back until Ian Levine explodes like a burst balloon.

 

[DarthPipes]

So that means The Underwater Menace is the only existing episode of Doctor Who that still hasn't been released.

 

[Rarewolf]

there are ways to work around it, too.

It's actually said in SJA that it's *rumoured* Ian and Babs don't age, not that they definitely don't.

It's easy - they were spotted whilst travelling with the Doctor in the 21st century.

Planet 55 have formally announced they aren't currently working on animating any Who episodes and there are no plans to do any more, cue mass speculation they don't need to animate the rest of The Underwater Menace because Phil Morris has found them but won't be handing them back until Ian Levine explodes like a burst balloon.

It's also possible the powers that be simply saw Web of Fear made record sales with a telesnap recon, so why fork out money on an animation? Now we know the two stories aren't in the same league, that 1/6 reconstructed is not the same as 1/2, but if it sold half as well they wouldn't complain.

But ultimatly the best option is for them to wait and see what Phil has.

 

[Australis]

Candlelight, thanks for the info.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

You're all absolutely right, it would have been awesome to see. However, hasn't NuWho established that because of their exposure to the Tardis, Ian and Barbara aren't aging? I vaguely remember hearing that somewhere.

Yes, that is mentioned in SJA, which I would be okay with ignoring if it meant a William Russell cameo. But even if you want to acknowledge it, there are ways to work around it, too.

It's actually said in SJA that it's *rumoured* Ian and Babs don't age, not that they definitely don't.

How exactly would that work anyway? It doesn't seem to have affected Sarah Jane or Jo at all.

It's also possible the powers that be simply saw Web of Fear made record sales with a telesnap recon, so why fork out money on an animation? Now we know the two stories aren't in the same league, that 1/6 reconstructed is not the same as 1/2, but if it sold half as well they wouldn't complain.

Honestly, outside of "The Invasion," I've been pretty unimpressed with the animated episodes so far. On the other hand, the telesnap reconstruction of "The Web of Fear, Part 3" worked so well that I barely noticed that it wasn't an actual episode.

At the very least, he could've appeared at the opening of the story, telling Clara that "her Doctor" called for her and such. Having that young bloke when you could've used one of the original actors from the first-ever story, and in a school setting no less... I just can't fathom it.

Agreed!

I also think they could have worked Romana, Susan, & Leela into the Gallifrey scenes. (Even a much older Commander Maxil, perhaps?)

 

[Starkers]

Yes, that is mentioned in SJA, which I would be okay with ignoring if it meant a William Russell cameo. But even if you want to acknowledge it, there are ways to work around it, too.

It's actually said in SJA that it's *rumoured* Ian and Babs don't age, not that they definitely don't.

How exactly would that work anyway? It doesn't seem to have affected Sarah Jane or Jo at all.

Might not be down to the Tardis, might be down to the Dalek time machine they used to get home?

 

[Rarewolf]

the telesnap reconstruction of "The Web of Fear, Part 3" worked so well that I barely noticed that it wasn't an actual episode.

In my case when I went to watch the story for the 2nd, 3rd time, I was actually surprised to see what scenes I had only watched as a recon, rather than as actual footage. Since I'd experienced the recon at the same time as watching 4 new(to me) episodes, this old mind of mine just jumbled the memories togther.

 

[The Wormhole]

As great as it would have been to incorporate Colin Baker in a way that his age isn't much of an issue, how much sense would it have made for Maxil to still be in the same body? Even if we assume he stayed in the Colin Baker form from Arc of Infinity straight to the start of the Time War, wouldn't it make sense with Gallifrey going to war he would want to regenerate into a younger, fitter body? Not to mention combat could have likely forced him to regenerate a few times over the course of the Time War.

That's why I prefer to believe the General was a regenerated Maxil.

 

[OmahaStar]

(Even a much older Commander Maxil, perhaps?)

As great as it would have been to incorporate Colin Baker in a way that his age isn't much of an issue, how much since would it have made for Maxil to still be in the same body? Even if we assume he stayed in the Colin Baker form from Arc of Infinity straight to the start of the Time War, wouldn't it make sense with Gallifrey going to war he would want to regenerate into a younger, fitter body? Not to mention combat could have likely forced him to regenerate a few times over the course of the Time War.

That's why I prefer to believe the General was a regenerated Maxil.

Dude. Any excuse to have Colin Baker appear in modern Who is a good excuse. We now know as fact that Ten regenerated and kept his same form, because he was so attached to that body. Perhaps Maxil has regenerated half a dozen times since then, and kept the same form each time? If he had Colin Baker's striking good looks, why on Gallifrey would he want to change that?

 

[kirk55555]

Dude. Any excuse to have Colin Baker appear in modern Who is a good excuse. We now know as fact that Ten regenerated and kept his same form, because he was so attached to that body. Perhaps Maxil has regenerated half a dozen times since then, and kept the same form each time? If he had Colin Baker's striking good looks, why on Gallifrey would he want to change that?

I totally agree. Colin Baker is awesome, so really any excuse to see him would be awesome.