2014 MLB Season: How Many Pitchers Will Die For Our Sins?

[1001001]

Timby is right.

Wins and losses mean a little something, but not much and certainly not enough to be the dominant statistic when judging a pitcher.

Simply put, the pitcher controls too little of that equation.

You could go 0-20 with an ERA of 1.50 on a lousy hitting team.

You could go 20-0 with an ERA of 5.50 on a great hitting team.

 

[Timby]

Timby is right.

Wins and losses mean a little something, but not much and certainly not enough to be the dominant statistic when judging a pitcher.

Simply put, the pitcher controls too little of that equation.

You could go 0-20 with an ERA of 1.50 on a lousy hitting team.

You could go 20-0 with an ERA of 5.50 on a great hitting team.

Precisely.

In 2012, for example, Clayton Kershaw racked up a 2.53 ERA, a 1.02 WHIP and 6.2 wins above replacement. He only won 14 games, though. Does that mean Gio Gonzalez, who won 21, was a better pitcher that year, with an ERA that was more than a third of a point higher and issuing 30 more walks and hits than Kershaw? Absolutely not.

 

[Danny99]

Yankees were blacklisted in trade talks for David Price and Jon Lester. Linky

I'm sorry, but no shit. You're somehow shocked that your two division rivals didn't want to trade their best player to you? Especially since you had absolutely NOTHING to offer in return, so fun to say blacklisted, but even if you weren't, you had nothing to actually TRADE.

So, what was your point again?

Pretend you had a star pitcher on the Yankees in the last year of his deal, and you planned to trade him. Would you consider the Red Sox? If the answer isn't No or Hell No, would you still consider them if their best prospect to offer wouldn't crack the top 20-25 in your farm system? How about if teams in other divisions or leagues were offering legit prospects and/or young major league players? Did you technically have to blacklist the Sox or Rays, or were they just never really in the conversation to begin with? And all things being equal with offers, you'd rather send them to the NL than the Sox/Rays anyway, so really a non-starter.

If the Yankees had a farm system, or young ML players signed to decent contracts, you could say someone took a lesser deal to not have to deal with you. Since you didn't have anything to offer, people don't want to trade quality with you. Just buy some more FAs and get over it. If you want Lester, just throw $200M at him in November...

Try telling that to Jays fans and Jose Bautista, who are ready to string up management by its heels for not getting Price.

 

[Green Shirt]

Baltimore's bats have been quiet since the start of July, with Chris Davis having the worst run of his career, Manny Machado looking lost at the plate and Hardy having an inexplicable power outage (and Cruz's batting average has fallen back to Earth, as well). I'm an O's fan but they've been winning on prayers, toothpicks and duct tape for the last 45 days.

Yeah, except for that week long stretch a short while back, there haven't been too many 50% off days from Papa John's around here. But things were looking up in the first game of the St. Louis series.

 

[Danny99]

The Jays win the now longest game in their history, 19-innings.

 

[1001001]

The Angels went 19 yesterday. That's crazy! More than two full games.

 

[Skywalker]

^ Don't remind me. The Angels were lucky not to get swept in this series. Some poor managerial decisions by John Farrell (shocker) helped them salvage that extra innings game.

 

[tomalak301]

The Angels went 19 yesterday. That's crazy! More than two full games.

The Tigers/Jays went 19 too. First time in MLB history two games in two days went at least 19.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Is it me, or have there been a lot more extra inning games lately?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Stay classy, Bryce.

 

[Use of Time]

Stay classy, Bryce.

Meh, it didn't really bother me. In fact, he got on base after doing that and was promtly doubled up on a routine flyball after forgetting how many outs there were in the inning. He was harmless in the series. I'm not really interested in reviving a beanball war with the Nationals.

That being said, it seems that there is just something all the time with Harper. Tremendous upside but he is really fighting it this year and I'm sure Williams is tired of having to answer for nonsense like this.

 

[1001001]

Tyler Skaggs needs TJ surgery. He's done until 2016.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...ls-tyler-skaggs-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery

They originally said it was a muscle strain....obviously far worse.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Tyler Skaggs needs TJ surgery. He's done until 2016.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...ls-tyler-skaggs-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery

They originally said it was a muscle strain....obviously far worse.

I am sorry to hear that. I hate seeing young guys having to get that surgery.

Digits, the Oakland Satan's see your Rally Monkey and raise you a Rally Possum

 

[Yanks]

I believe the Yankees have to sweep the Orioles in this 3 game st starting tonight to have a chance to make the play-offs.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I believe the Yankees have to sweep the Orioles in this 3 game st starting tonight to have a chance to make the play-offs.

So... what your saying is that they have no chance whatsoever of making the playoffs?

 

[Timby]

I believe the Yankees have to sweep the Orioles in this 3 game st starting tonight to have a chance to make the play-offs.

I think the Yankees have already lost the division (their run differential is just terrible and it's going to get worse given the pitching problems; now that Baltimore's bats are starting to warm up again, I just don't think the Yankees will catch up to them) but they still have a pretty good shot at one of the wild cards -- one of them is going to come out of the West, be it the Angels or the Mariners, but I think the other wild card is going to be the Yankees, Royals or Blue Jays, and the Yankees have a shit-ton of remaining games against Kansas City and especially Toronto. They don't exactly control their own destiny but even a marginal improvement in their pitching would give them a healthy shot.

 

[1001001]

Tyler Skaggs needs TJ surgery. He's done until 2016.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...ls-tyler-skaggs-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery

They originally said it was a muscle strain....obviously far worse.

I am sorry to hear that. I hate seeing young guys having to get that surgery.

Digits, the Oakland Satan's see your Rally Monkey and raise you a Rally Possum

That's probably the cleanest thing living in that stadium.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Tyler Skaggs needs TJ surgery. He's done until 2016.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...ls-tyler-skaggs-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery

They originally said it was a muscle strain....obviously far worse.

I am sorry to hear that. I hate seeing young guys having to get that surgery.

Digits, the Oakland Satan's see your Rally Monkey and raise you a Rally Possum

That's probably the cleanest thing living in that stadium.

No kidding. Can't blame the ownership for that, but you can blame MLB's intransigence. For now though, we will take our possum, hell we will adopt sewer rats if it means we beat the Tigers and win a World Series.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

So the Coliseum is now...Possum Lodge!

"I'm an Athletic. But I can change. If I have to. I guess."

 

[Yanks]

I believe the Yankees have to sweep the Orioles in this 3 game st starting tonight to have a chance to make the play-offs.

I think the Yankees have already lost the division (their run differential is just terrible and it's going to get worse given the pitching problems; now that Baltimore's bats are starting to warm up again, I just don't think the Yankees will catch up to them) but they still have a pretty good shot at one of the wild cards -- one of them is going to come out of the West, be it the Angels or the Mariners, but I think the other wild card is going to be the Yankees, Royals or Blue Jays, and the Yankees have a shit-ton of remaining games against Kansas City and especially Toronto. They don't exactly control their own destiny but even a marginal improvement in their pitching would give them a healthy shot.

That's why I didn't say "division".

Tar baby returns and pitches wednesday... McCann and tex were warming up, but they are now on the DL.

It seems like everytime we get "it" going, something happens.

With all the injuries we've sustained, I can't believe we still have a shot.

It can be done, but if we tank against the Orioles I think we are done.