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Sadly we have yet to see the other side. But I have hope!
(Hope is important.)
(Hope is important.)
Here are some Youtube clips of a show called Reno 911 that Tom Lennon starred in for 6 years and a movie.
It's a parody of the reality show Cops about a group of incompetent moron #### ups.
Well, the last time I watched seasons 4-6 (up to a certain episode) was in 2001 and I have no intention at all to watch them again.
There were a few episodes I liked, "Nemesis", the "Equinox" episodes and "Blink Of An Eye". The rest of them were pretty average, focused on the new main character and her sidekicks while the rest of this fantastic crew were shoved aside.
"People were starting to get sick of the whole Ocampa thing". What people? There were no one complaining about the Ocampa.
What happened was that BB&T wanted a "sexy babe " in the show and they were going to dump Kim to make room for the "babe", not Kes. When a silly inside poll in a stupid magazine showed Wang among the "50 most sexy" or whatever it was, then they dumped Kes instead.
As for Seven, she was Braga's fantasy. He's always been obsessed with catsuits. No matter that he became highly inspired to write stories about his new favorite.
OK, if they wanted a "sexy babe" but it was wrong to dump one of the main characters they already had because all of them were good characters!
Braga wrote a comic book last year.
She eventually turned into a skittering metalo-spider creature and tried to eat Picard.
She eventually turned into a skittering metalo-spider creature and tried to eat Picard.
I've always held Beltran in very low esteem for the way he acted during the show. It is fine to not be ok with what your employers are doing, but to bad mouth then and the show to the extent he did seemed very bad form. I can't imagine it hasn't impacted his ability to get an acting gig since then.
Who would hire someone they know they can't trust to keep their mouth shut when they're unhappy, much less actually encourage people to watch it? Too many people out there that can act to take a risk on him. I understand it after the show is aired, but he bagged it out when it was still going.
Not to mention bagging out the other actors because they didn't constantly criticize the show in interviews and I recall at least one interview I read where he criticized Mulgrew for this.
Lien may not have been happy, but she handled it very gracefully and I can respect that.
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I have always liked Chakotay.
I laso like Beltran as an actor. I think he did a good job portraying Chakotay due to the sometimes lazy writing for the character.
But Beltran really became my hero when he did speak out about those in charge. Finally someone who tells the world what a bunch of fools they are!
I also understand Beltran's frustration. Year after year he tried to come up with ideas for his character and all of them were ignored by certain people in charge.
Not to mention that I really like to see those arrogant fools get some slaps into their faces. Considering their attitude to the actors and the fans, they deserved it.
I have always liked Chakotay.
I laso like Beltran as an actor. I think he did a good job portraying Chakotay due to the sometimes lazy writing for the character.
But Beltran really became my hero when he did speak out about those in charge. Finally someone who tells the world what a bunch of fools they are!
I also understand Beltran's frustration. Year after year he tried to come up with ideas for his character and all of them were ignored by certain people in charge.
Not to mention that I really like to see those arrogant fools get some slaps into their faces. Considering their attitude to the actors and the fans, they deserved it.
Wasn't it the other way around?
So what if TPTB choose not act on his ideas? He's an actor, not a writer. Or a producer. The ideas might not have been as good as he thinks, or given he gave up on actually acting in the show sometime in the 4th season, they may have decided he wasn't actually worth investing time in. Someone who doesn't even do their main job properly does't have the right to tell others how to do their job. It is also rather naive to think that the people you are busying "telling the world what a bunch of fools they are" are actually going to listen or care about what you have to say. He shot himself in the foot on that one. You don't insult the very people who you want to influence. It generally doesn't go well.
If he hated it as much as he seems to, he should have quit. He didn't have to re-sign his contract for season 7 and he could have asked to be let out of his contract earlier in the shows run.
Chak could have died!!!
The things they denied us.
The things they denied us.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Seven_of_Nine
Having read that for the first time I have to laugh... The true genesis of Seven of Nine is the Advertising machine marketing Voyager to the Unwashed.
Advertising fires itself through your eyeballs into your soul and lies about how what it is selling is a billion times better than it is, so that you must have it no matter how much it costs you financially or spiritually.
But what happens when you shoot advertising about Voyager at the creators of Voyager?
Oroborus.
Well, he did wait at least until season six before he started to voice his opinion. Then he probably had realised that nothing was about to change.
He actually told them that he wanted to quit but they didn't listen to that either.
I'm glad Beltran didn't quit though. Also, was he REALLY going to find something that paid as well? In all seriousness, this kind of opportunity only knocks once. Or in Kate's case.. twice. But usually just once.
If anything, they should have started out with a more developed character for the first officer. Even Tuvok (which I know... maybe would have been way too Kirk/Spock but still).
If the original intent was to have a command team of Starfleet Principals vs. Maquis Rebellious ways they failed.
However I don't care because I love Voyager. And it doesn't bother me too much that he is completely and utterly whipped by Janeway.
If anything, they should have started out with a more developed character for the first officer. Even Tuvok (which I know... maybe would have been way too Kirk/Spock but still).
If the original intent was to have a command team of Starfleet Principals vs. Maquis Rebellious ways they failed.
However I don't care because I love Voyager. And it doesn't bother me too much that he is completely and utterly whipped by Janeway.
Breach of contract will collapse several relationships and void much possibility of being insured on the set for his next job or the job after that, which means that no one will hire him again thereafter in perpetuity.
Breach of contract also means that he has to pay them to leave after they finish suing him.
It's just a question of when his contract(s?) ran out?
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Comedian Dave Chappelle 8 or 9 years ago was given millions and millions to create a new show, he then had a mental episode that many people believe was not entirely on the level and chose to rest up in a sanatorium in Africa till he felt better.
He's still not gone back to work.
Actor and professional drug addict Jason Mewes had finally kicked heroin again, when a reality TV company gave him 50 grand up front to be the focus of a reality show concentrating on his rehabilitation. The second the cheque cleared he took the money, put a monkey on his back and ran.
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