The truth behind McFadden's absence in the second season?

[HIjol]

Hard to believe Gates would get sexually harassed on the show, but Maurice Hurley really looks the part, too ...

Perhaps you can could ask Grace Lee Whitney about her experience with sexual harassment on the originals series.

...yeah, that was bad news...interesting, another "Star Trek Executive"...but she turned out to be a class act, and rose above it...I remember seeing her in an old old "Untouchables" as a Mol...she was pretty good for that style of filming, and the "black and white" look...

 

[2takesfrakes]

Hard to believe Gates would get sexually harassed on the show, but Maurice Hurley really looks the part, too ...

Perhaps you can could ask Grace Lee Whitney about her experience with sexual harassment on the originals series.

Grace Lee Whitney was an Alpha Babe, all the way, and I've always considered her the coolest of all of the STAR TREK women in TOS. A very Classy Lady who always rose Janice Rand above the pages she was given. I really like her, alot. But I'm not really surprised she was harassed, as even Gene Roddenberry was using his position to force himself on Pretty, Young Hotties. It was The Sixties and alot of shit flew then that is very hard to accept, today. Not that people on the receiving end were cool with it, but they knew nothing too much was going to be done about it. IN FACT ...

In the TOS Episode ENEMY WITHIN, I believe it's called, Janice Rand gets raped, or at least barely escapes being raped by Kirk's duplicate. She reports this and then is questioned about it, at length, by none other than ... Captain Kirk! HmmmBOY!!! Then, much later in the episode, when all the craziness stopped, Spock - OK? - SPOCK turns to Janice Rand and makes a comment to Rand that, perhaps, she might be turned on by Kirk's animalistic passions. Again, it was The Sixties and it's there in the writing by some of the top, professional writers at the time. Churning shit like this with the intent on entertaining the masses. And the infamous censors who were ever-watchful saw this going on and stamped these shows GRADE "A".

I let myself forget, sometimes, that THE NEXT GENERATION isn't "recent." But as dated as it actually is, it is still some twenty years - two decades (!!!) - after TOS and all the dramatic social and cultural changes of The Sixties. Whilst not politically correct, by any means, The Eighties do not seem to have been a decade where Gates McFadden could've been sexually harassed by the likes of Maurice Hurley and just shrugged her shoulders at it, as if to say, "oh, well. What can you do?" Especially when everyone else on the shoot - apparently - knew this was going on. Did ALL of those people just gossip about it around the water cooler and dismissively conclude how, "that's the way we roll around here"? I don't get it. I know Maurice had his head rammed up Gene's ass pretty good, at the time, but surely, he wasn't untouchable, even by Rick.

 

[Jewel]

I don't have any idea what happened on TNG (as I said above I have always read/heard that she was fired due to conflict with Maurice Hurley) but your timeline on workplace sexual harassment is a bit off. Workplace sexual harassment wasn't even recognized as a cause of action by the Supreme Court until 1986, and the development of hostile work environment law (as opposed to quid pro quo) occured in the late 80s and the 90s. Most people working on TNG would have been born in the 50s or even the 40s. I bet many of them in the 80s, even those who thought it was wrong, would have seen workplace sexual harassment as an unfortunate reality of the business. Certainly it was WELL before there was any workplace education on sexual harassment as something that might be illegal as opposed to just distasteful. Why would people have ignored it if it actually happened? Probably some thought it wasn't a big deal, probably others thought it would be harder to replace a writer than an actor on her first series, probably others were worried enough about their own jobs that they didn't want to make waves. There are lot of reasons.

On a personal note, I grew up in LA and worked in entertainment (for a talent agency and for a director's production company) for several years in the early 90s before I went to law school (where, coincidentally, I was introduced to TNG because we talked about A Matter of Perspective in one of my classes!). I met my husband there, and many of my friends are still working writers and producers. There was NO shortage of sexual harassment during that time in the industry, and it continues today. Whenever you have money and power, and attractive young people who want to get/keep jobs in a tough industry, it will happen. Many (most probably) of the cases don't go to court, they are resolved internally by the legal departments and the parties sign confidentiality agreements -- I know of one long-running cable show in particular where the lead was notorious for harassment and kept the legal department hopping dealing with it. Because the people he harassed were nervous about getting blacklisted, and because they wanted to keep the star of this show happy, people were reluctant to actually file suit, and the studio was willing to engage in confidential settlements. Also, under California state law, there is a lot of freedom given for crude, offensive, and sexually explicit language in a creative workplace -- there was a hostile work environment lawsuit against the writers of Friends that went all the way to the Supreme Court that clarified this. So, even today, it's not an easy thing to prove, and few people will handle it publicly.

Hard to believe Gates would get sexually harassed on the show, but Maurice Hurley really looks the part, too ...

Perhaps you can could ask Grace Lee Whitney about her experience with sexual harassment on the originals series.

Grace Lee Whitney was an Alpha Babe, all the way, and I've always considered her the coolest of all of the STAR TREK women in TOS. A very Classy Lady who always rose Janice Rand above the pages she was given. I really like her, alot. But I'm not really surprised she was harassed, as even Gene Roddenberry was using his position to force himself on Pretty, Young Hotties. It was The Sixties and alot of shit flew then that is very hard to accept, today. Not that people on the receiving end were cool with it, but they knew nothing too much was going to be done about it. IN FACT ...

In the TOS Episode ENEMY WITHIN, I believe it's called, Janice Rand gets raped, or at least barely escapes being raped by Kirk's duplicate. She reports this and then is questioned about it, at length, by none other than ... Captain Kirk! HmmmBOY!!! Then, much later in the episode, when all the craziness stopped, Spock - OK? - SPOCK turns to Janice Rand and makes a comment to Rand that, perhaps, she might be turned on by Kirk's animalistic passions. Again, it was The Sixties and it's there in the writing by some of the top, professional writers at the time. Churning shit like this with the intent on entertaining the masses. And the infamous censors who were ever-watchful saw this going on and stamped these shows GRADE "A".

I let myself forget, sometimes, that THE NEXT GENERATION isn't "recent." But as dated as it actually is, it is still some twenty years - two decades (!!!) - after TOS and all the dramatic social and cultural changes of The Sixties. Whilst not politically correct, by any means, The Eighties do not seem to have been a decade where Gates McFadden could've been sexually harassed by the likes of Maurice Hurley and just shrugged her shoulders at it, as if to say, "oh, well. What can you do?" Especially when everyone else on the shoot - apparently - knew this was going on. Did ALL of those people just gossip about it around the water cooler and dismissively conclude how, "that's the way we roll around here"? I don't get it. I know Maurice had his head rammed up Gene's ass pretty good, at the time, but surely, he wasn't untouchable, even by Rick.

 

[2takesfrakes]

How about that? Looks like even Hollywood's Leftist, Flaming Liberals aren't so Politically Correct, after all. Just as I always suspected ...

>>SNORT!!!<<

Great post!

 

[Jewel]

How about that? Looks like even Hollywood's Leftist, Flaming Liberals aren't so Politically Correct, after all. Just as I always suspected ...

>>SNORT!!!<<

Great post!

Some things just transcend political divides! Like love of TNG!

 

[2takesfrakes]

That's it! You got it. Can't fight a Tidal Wave ...

 

[RainKing]

Forgive me for being a little off the original topic of this thread, but the most recent posts got me to thinking...

I notice that most of liberal Hollywood is pretty much anti-religion. They seem happy to leave that to the republicans. I've seen well over a dozen movies about catholics (seemingly the flagship religion of the U.S.) molesting children, along with other sexual misconduct and cruelty...

While I have no problem with that, it bothers me to no end that they would use their own institution to commit, conceal and perpetuate their own brand of sex crimes simply because those in the upper echelon feel safe in doing so.

Rhetorical question - why people gotta be so gross?

I have nothing to add about why "Crusher" left, but I was glad that she came back. Why? She was nice and Pulaski was mean. She was a fine actress and seemingly a lovely woman, but she talked hurt on Data so she had to go.

 

[HIjol]

While I have no problem with that, it bothers me to no end that they would use their own institution to commit, conceal and perpetuate their own brand of sex crimes simply because those in the upper echelon feel safe in doing so.

Rhetorical question - why people gotta be so gross?

...short, scary answer?

...because they can...

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

Forgive me for being a little off the original topic of this thread, but the most recent posts got me to thinking...

I notice that most of liberal Hollywood is pretty much anti-religion. They seem happy to leave that to the republicans. I've seen well over a dozen movies about catholics (seemingly the flagship religion of the U.S.) molesting children, along with other sexual misconduct and cruelty...

While I have no problem with that, it bothers me to no end that they would use their own institution to commit, conceal and perpetuate their own brand of sex crimes simply because those in the upper echelon feel safe in doing so.

Rhetorical question - why people gotta be so gross?

I have nothing to add about why "Crusher" left, but I was glad that she came back. Why? She was nice and Pulaski was mean. She was a fine actress and seemingly a lovely woman, but she talked hurt on Data so she had to go.

This is definitely not the place to drag the thread off topic with sociopolitical commentary. If you weren't a rookie, you'd receive a warning for spamming.

 

[HIjol]

^^to Mutai...my apologies for my part in answering the post...focused too much on the "gross" question (rhetorical at that!) and not enough on the rest of the content...I will also further learn to govern my passions...good Mod!

 

[J.T.B.]

It might just be me, but given Crusher's rank, it seemed awfully low for a position as Head of Starfleet Medical.

I was reminded of this thread when I came across an article in the US Navy "All Hands" magazine June 1942 about an officer being promoted from commander to rear admiral to take charge of the Navy's supply bureau. That would be equivalent to the Chief of the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery, the top medical officer.

Of course the officer didn't go back to being a supply officer on a ship after the assignment!

 

[Jewel]

It might just be me, but given Crusher's rank, it seemed awfully low for a position as Head of Starfleet Medical.

Her rank was commander, so not a low rank. And they made a point in Thine Own Self that she had continued to pursue rank advancements as a Starfleet officer, even though she didn't need them as a doctor. She had taken and passed the bridge officer's test prior to being assigned to the Enterprise.

 

[Hober Mallow]

I notice that most of liberal Hollywood is pretty much anti-religion.

Generalize much?

 

[borgboy]

Sisko only held the rank of Commander when he first took command of DS9. I don't know that I really have enough knowledge on the subject to be sure if Beverly being in charge of Starfleet Medical as a Commander was normal or not. Since she did it, it must be ok with Starfleet. In it's own way, being the CMO of a deep space vessel seems like a pretty huge responsibility. Doctors in that position are encountering new life forms and thus new diseases on a regular basis.

 

[KaineMorrison]

Hard to believe Gates would get sexually harassed on the show...

What's that supposed to mean?

Welcome to showbiz.

Understood & Confirmed!

The Casting Couch™ goes together with Show Business like Bacon & Eggs ... Pork & Beans ... Cornflakes & Milk ...

Honey & Rice?