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What was Roddenberry favorite movie?

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Just wondering does anybody have some information or knowledge what movie was Roddenberry favorite. Roddenberry is quoted as saying he didn't like the movies. Unfortunately, there exists no definitive list of which movies in particular Roddenberry disliked or liked. There is thou a reference book Star Trek Chronology states that Roddenberry considered elements of Star Trek V and Star Trek VI to be apocryphal, but it does not specify which particular elements in these movies Roddenberry objected to.
However that commit probably excludes both Star Trek V and Star Trek VI as his favorite i might think. Discuss.
 
My guess is ST:TMP, because, philosophically, it was closest to where he decided Trek should go, as witnessed by early TNG.
 
My guess wud be 'Wrath of Khan'. Because story built on main character, Khan, from Roddenberry's original Trek.
 
I'm fairly certain that it'd be TMP, but the story goes that he liked TUC as well.
 
TMP was his baby. The rest he considered to be ousted from, though he maintained the honorary title of consultant, I believe
 
According to TNG - Continuing Mission, GR saw TUC a few days before he passed...

...hopefully he liked it, and the 'farewell' nature of the final TOS film.
 
WalkinMan said:
According to TNG - Continuing Mission, GR saw TUC a few days before he passed...

...hopefully he liked it, and the 'farewell' nature of the final TOS film.

Some say that seeing it pushed him over the edge.
 
I think GR considered all the post TMP movies as too "militaristic" for him with possibly the exception of Voyage Home.
 
Number6 said:
Some say that seeing it pushed him over the edge.

He was very, very ill when he saw the final "work print" of ST VI at Paramount's theatrette, having suffered two strokes in the previous year or so. My friend Ernie Over was his fulltime assistant and chauffeur and he told me that Gene's only comment after seeing the film was, "I think the Star Trek fans will like it".

Supposedly, his previous memos regarding the scripts for ST VI mentioned concerns about Saavik being made the traitor, because she was such a popular character of the fans (amusing Meyer no end, because GR had originally been opposed to Saavik in ST II), and the need for so much Klingon blood.

Roddenberry suffered another stroke a day after seeing the workprint and was rushed to hospital, and never returned. Some fans have stated their belief that seeing the film killed him, but he was already very ill.

Gene was quite happy with TMP, IIRC, but would have liked it to have kicked off a series of telemovies to incorporate all the plans for "ST: Phase II", or at least to be able to write the feature film sequel, but Paramount removed him from the executive producer role and commissioned ST II as a telemovie under Harve Bennett.

Roddenberry was opposed to many things about ST II, including Spock's death, Kirk killing the Ceti eel without capturing it for study, and the introduction of Saavik. Majel Barrett made a statement that she would be "unavailable" as Dr Chapel because Gene wasn't part of the active production team. As "Creative Consultant", Gene had to be shown all scripts for his written comments - and comment he did - but nooone had to listen to him.

With Roddenberry's approval, Susan Sackett leaked the death of Spock (originally to have occurred early in the film) at a UK convention. To plug the leak, Meyer and Bennett invented the Kobayashi Maru scenario, featuring the "deaths" of McCoy, Sulu, Uhura and Spock, and the shifting of Spock's actual sacrifice to the film's climax. In a "Starlog" about a decade later, Bennett actually thanked "that lady" (ie Susan) for the act that made ST II a much better film.

Roddenberry didn't have much to say about ST III or ST IV, IIRC. I think he expressed reluctance about Eddie Murphy in ST IV, though. He was very hesitant about Shatner's ideas for ST V, but Shatner had cleverly tried to link the script into key Roddenberry themes about paradise, false Gods, etc.

Roddenberry and DC Fontana were quite angry about the invention of a Spock sibling for ST V. Fontana had composed many memos during TOS that Spock worked better as a unique character, and the show made sure not to introduce pointed eared brothers and sisters for fear of diminishing Spock's uniqueness. Roddenberry also disliked the McCoy-euthanasing-his-father plot point.

The bits of ST V Roddenberry declared apocryphal were Sybok being the son of Sarek (he'd have preferred he be a trusted teacher/mentor of Spock), and McCoy mercy killing his own father. For ST VI, his comments can really only date back to his reactions to the scripts; he reserved judgment about Starfleet's miltarism, and the spilling of so much Klingon blood. Undoubtedly, he was pleased that Saavik had been morphed into a new character, Valeris.
 
Therin of Andor said:
Roddenberry and DC Fontana were quite angry about the invention of a Spock sibling for ST V. Fontana had composed many memos during TOS that Spock worked better as a unique character, and the show made sure not to introduce pointed eared brothers and sisters for fear of diminishing Spock's uniqueness. Roddenberry also disliked the McCoy-euthanasing-his-father plot point.

The bits of ST V Roddenberry declared apocryphal were Sybok being the son of Sarek (he'd have preferred he be a trusted teacher/mentor of Spock), and McCoy mercy killing his own father.

I have to agree with Fontana and Roddenberry in regards to Spock being an only child, thus being unique among Vulcans. It works better if Spock is not only an only child, but the first successful Vulcan-human hybrid as suggested by the Star Trek album that Roddenberry did. While I do enjoy parts of TFF, Sybok being Spock's brother add nothing more to the drama other than that he couldn't shot him when Kirk demanded he do so. It still would've worked had it been a trusted teacher/mentor, perhaps even a surrogate father figure for Spock, one that accepted his human, emotional half.

I do, however, disagree with Roddenberry on the McCoy story element. It is one of the best scenes in all the movies and provides great insight into McCoy and why he has been so driven throughout TOS and the movies to preserve all life. It gave us a bigger reason than just the standard, he's a doctor and that's what doctor's do. It also gave the character a moral quandary that was compounded by the fact that a cure was found several months later. McCoy made a choice that, at the time, seemed right but in hindsight was also wrong. The complexity of that action made McCoy more than just Jim's sounding board and the ship's cynical medic.

De Kelly had the same fears as Roddenberry did, but came to see the complexity and beauty of the scene. It is his best performance in all of Trek.

The beauty of TFF is that it tried very hard to deconstruct who these men -- Kirk, Spock and McCoy-- were. It was successful in some areas and not so much in others. The McCoy and his father scene, however, was successful.
 
Roddenberry and DC Fontana were quite angry about the invention of a Spock sibling for ST V. Fontana had composed many memos during TOS that Spock worked better as a unique character, and the show made sure not to introduce pointed eared brothers and sisters for fear of diminishing Spock's uniqueness. Roddenberry also disliked the McCoy-euthanasing-his-father plot point.

I don't get how having a *half-brother*, who is FULL Vulcan takes away from Spock's uniqueness. Maybe if Sybok was also Amanda's son... then I can see the argument. If anything as it is Sybok serves as a great contrast and in my eye enhances Spock's isolation. One brother trying to become more Vulcan then any Vulcan and the other rejecting that path to embrace his emotions. to me that says alot about who they both are. Simply having siblings doesn't diminish anyone...

Oh, McCoy mercy killing his Father was one of DeForest Kelley's finest acting moments in Star Trek - I'm glad we got to see it and glad Shatner pushed Deforest to do it.

On topic, I'm sure TMP was Roddeberry's favorite given that it was clearly laying the ground work for GR's new 'vision' of Trek.

Sharr
 
According to Roddenberry's authorized biography he disliked TUC.

Certainly his favorite Trek film was the one he produced, ST:TMP. TNG borrows heavily from it in many respects, while ignoring the following films during GR's period of control in every way possible other than the occasional necessary reuse of props and costumes.
 
It has been my understanding that GR only 'liked' TMP. and then tolerated 2-4 although not particularly thinking them as he would like ST to be presented and apparantly openly dislike and disagreed with parts of TFF and TUC. Although he was of course a bit unpredictable. I.e. his suddenly deciding that the animated series was apocryphal and not 'official' star trek even though he was involved with it more so than he was the movies.
 
It seems from reading your post must appreciated, specially Therin of Andor post that Roddenberry favorite seems to be TMP and no surprising It is also my favorite hmmm great mind do think a like i guess :)
 
UWC Defiance said:
According to Roddenberry's authorized biography he disliked TUC.

But these were reactions to the scripts. He was too ill to do record any official reactions to seeing the work print, although some fans reckon he "stormed off to his office and wrote a long memo". He wasn't really capable of doing either that day.
 
STTMP is likely, though I recall around the time of STNG's production start in 1986-87, that he mentioned he enjoyed STIV's return to topical storytelling.

RAMA
 
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