‘Star Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

[BigJake]

It's a very strong word.

In English, that depends a lot on the context. For example:

{Danny Vermin demonstrates at 1:32}

See? No big.

Why did Christopher Nolan go out of his way to say he disagreed with the ending of Man of Steel?

You'd think he'd self-flagellate for the sins of The Dark Knight Rises first, it's true.

(Love that band, BTW. )

I'm scared to death I will never love again.

Are you saying you've... got a bad feeling about this?

 

[Joel_Kirk]

I sense a great disturbance....

...As if a million voices cried out in terror...

... and were told to fuck off...

Very true.

Time for Orci to put up or shut up. I'll be intrigued to see the results.

If this film fails, his credibility will be strained further.

They should have got George Lucas.

I think he's available.

Noooooooo!

 

[Leto_II]

Inside-baseball stuff: Paramount were really close to hiring Joe Cornish, and Orci scared him off.

 

[JarodRussell]

Inside-baseball stuff: Paramount were really close to hiring Joe Cornish, and Orci scared him off.

He then told him "That's why I get to direct the film, and why you can fuck off."

 

[Leto_II]

Put simply, this all suggests that Paramount were comfortable enough with the status quo, and with Abrams and Kurtzman off doing other things, they probably figured Orci was closely involved enough in the last two movies to be able to keep it ticking along.

To an extent, I think that's probably true. He was overseeing the new script already; and the cast, crew, and visual style are already in place from the other couple of movies. For better or worse, I wouldn't be surprised if the finished product is not drastically different from Abrams' first two go-'rounds.

 

[Yminale]

Seemed to work fine for Doctor Who's 50th.

Any honest Doctor Who fan will tell you that most of the material that came from 50th anniversary was either mediocre to downright awful. For instance, strip away the prologue, epilogue and the fanservice and "Time of the Doctor" is a pretty boring episode. The only good thing that came out of the 50th was "Adventures in Space and Time".

I seriously doubt that Orci could make a film without the crutch of fan wank and excessive CGI much less a good one.

 

[Leto_II]

Inside-baseball stuff: Paramount were really close to hiring Joe Cornish, and Orci scared him off.

He then told him "That's why I get to direct the film, and why you can fuck off."

Something like that, believe it or not. From what I've been told by an old law-school friend of mine who's fairly close to events there at the studio, Cornish wanted to do the film, was entering into final negotiations, but Orci just kept on pressing his involvement at every stage of the deal. And Cornish had enough, and walked.

 

[BigJake]

Inside-baseball stuff: Paramount were really close to hiring Joe Cornish, and Orci scared him off.

What does that mean, are we talking jumping out of the bushes with a mask on? Telling him elaborate stories about what the crew did to the toilets on set? Sneaking into his house at night with Zach Quinto and Simon Pegg and saying "you might know who we are, but we know who you are"?

EDIT: Posted before I saw the much less exciting explanation. Never mind...

 

[Leto_II]

Nah, nothing that fun, I'm afraid. More along the lines of working for Paramount Legal in drafting contracts; that sort of thing. Mundane stuff, but every once in a while something like this comes along.

Although watching the crew's toilets would make for a very interesting career...

 

[Yminale]

Put simply, this all suggests that Paramount were comfortable enough with the status quo,

I don't see how Paramount can be "comfortable" when STID under-performed. Paramount still has "Transformers" and they may get lucky with TMNT so unless both franchises do badly they might not care about ST. I think the more important question is not who directs but how much money are they willing to put into the new film.

 

[Leto_II]

Although to be sure, Into Darkness grossed $467,365,246 at the global box office, compared to the 2009 film's take of $385,494,555 globally. And the second film's budget was only around $30 million higher than the first one's. STID definitely performed up to expectations for the studio.

 

[BillJ]

Could it be good? Yes. Could it be bad? Yes.

But God knows I survived enough Roddenberry/Berman disasters over the years that I will give this a chance. If it sucks, I'll be back the next time. Just like I've come back to Star Trek every other time.

 

[Yminale]

Although to be sure, Into Darkness grossed $467,365,246 at the global box office, compared to the 2009 film's take of $385,494,555 globally. And the second film's budget was only around $30 million higher than the first one's. STID definitely performed up to expectations for the studio.

From Wikipedia

ST 2009 domestic gross $257,730,019
STID domestic gross $228,778,661

Yes you are correct about the foreign gross but that's probably due to increase amount of CGI, Xplosions!!! and T&A which is what draws foreign movie goers.

So if you were hoping for a more cerebral ST experience, then you are probably really screwed.

 

[Yminale]

Could it be good? Yes. Could it be bad? Yes.

But God knows I survived enough Roddenberry/Berman disasters over the years that I will give this a chance. If it sucks, I'll be back the next time. Just like I've come back to Star Trek every other time.

You do know that this is the very definition of abuse.

 

[BillJ]

So if you were hoping for a more cerebral ST experience, then you are probably really screwed.

I think we simply don't know. Orci's work has always been as a writer which is dictated to by the director. This movie will probably be the truest representation of how Orci sees "Star Trek".

 

[BillJ]

Could it be good? Yes. Could it be bad? Yes.

But God knows I survived enough Roddenberry/Berman disasters over the years that I will give this a chance. If it sucks, I'll be back the next time. Just like I've come back to Star Trek every other time.

You do know that this is the very definition of abuse.

Hell, I would've been in the theater opening night for Star Trek: The Beginning had it been made. It's a sickness!

 

[Leto_II]

Although to be sure, Into Darkness grossed $467,365,246 at the global box office, compared to the 2009 film's take of $385,494,555 globally. And the second film's budget was only around $30 million higher than the first one's. STID definitely performed up to expectations for the studio.

From Wikipedia

ST 2009 domestic gross $257,730,019
STID domestic gross $228,778,661

Yes you are correct about the foreign gross but that's probably due to increase amount of CGI, Xplosions!!! and T&A which is what draws foreign movie goers.

So if you were hoping for a more cerebral ST experience, then you are probably really screwed.

I don't find its domestic take to be terribly disappointing -- they simply waited too long to make it. They had a pretty big hit in Trek '09, and audiences were excited...and then nothing happened for four years. It's the opposite of striking while the iron is hot.

(I suspect this could sting How to Train Your Dragon 2, as well.)

There was also a bit more competition last year than when the first movie came out. Fast & Furious 6 (and The Hangover III) both hit the weekend immediately after Into Darkness, whereas Trek '09 had a relatively mild two weeks post-release, only much later having to deal with Angels and Demons and Night at the Museum 2.

The drop in domestic ticket sales is very comparable to Iron Man 2's drop from Iron Man, both of which are considered major blockbuster hits.

 

[cbspock]

There is a good interview with Orci on Mission Log podcasts shortly after Into Darkness was released. You should check it out. He discusses some of the changes JJ made.

Not sure how Trek 3 will turn out but, JJ would still have a final say in the film since he will be producing it.


-Chris

 

[mos6507]

This is going to be the most interesting lead up to a Trek film ever.

We actually have a director who likes to engage in inane squabbles on Internet boards.

Let us all do our best to discourage politeness and encourage his frank, honest views to flourish.

Yeah, if we work hard enough, the reality-show drama of us back-seat-driving him every step of the way will be infinitely more exciting than the finished product.

 

[cbspock]

This is going to be the most interesting lead up to a Trek film ever.

We actually have a director who likes to engage in inane squabbles on Internet boards.

Let us all do our best to discourage politeness and encourage his frank, honest views to flourish.

Yeah, if we work hard enough, the reality-show drama of us back-seat-driving him every step of the way will be infinitely more exciting than the finished product.

So basically treat him like James Kirk treats a computer

-Chris