Game of Thrones 4.5 - "First of His Name" - Rate and discuss

[Out Of My Vulcan Mind]

Rate and discuss (with spoilers for the episode, but not for forthcoming episodes) "First of His Name", airing on the 4th May on HBO and on the 5th May on Sky Atlantic.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3CXJkQkaAU[/yt]

 

[SiddFinch1]

Good nor great.
Changes from books which is fine.
some filler and some interesting scenes

 

[Evil Twin]

Super Hodor! Jaime's right hand is avenged! And Jon reunited with Ghost, awwww... Overall I like how we got some closure on Craster's Keep here, something we didn't really get in the book. I can't even recall what became of the mutineers in the book, or if it was even mentioned. Anyone remember? I was a little surprised they still had the same kid playing Robin Arryn, given Tommen's recast.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I'm told it's mentioned in one of the later books that a group of rangers either killed or captured the mutineers. It was apparently an offhand reference. (I don't know which book or chapter, this is just what I was told, as I don't remember.)

 

[chrisspringob]

So if they stick with the plan of 7 seasons, and each season includes 10 episodes, then we're now halfway through the series.

 

[bbjeg]

It was an okay episode. Not the best of the season but no where near the worst. Arya surprised me with the stab attempt on the Hound (his response was not surprising). It's starting to feel like Sansa can't get a break too but at least one Stark got out of harms way (even though it seems Bran's heading for something worse). I assume Jojen (and people like him) can't alter the future, otherwise, I think keeping that burning sight from them isn't cool. Also, If Rickon and Osha aren't in the next episode, I'm going to assume she ate him and headed south as planned.

It seems their isn't anything Baelish won't do for power, but his actions are more calculated than evil. Lucky Lysa. His darkest deed was assisting in Joffrey's murder so his fine in my book.

Brienne and Pod are my favorite pair currently. I'm curious about the troubles they're heading into.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

It seems their isn't anything Baelish won't do for power, but his actions are more calculated than evil. Lucky Lysa. His darkest deed was assisting in Joffrey's murder so his fine in my book.

He also betrayed Ned and talked Lysa--a clearly mentally-unstable woman--into poisoning her husband. So he's complicit in at least two murders, three if you count what happened to Ned. Yeah, nobody's upset that Joff died, but from what we've been told of Jon Arryn, the old Hand wasn't a bad guy.

 

[chrisspringob]

Also, If Rickon and Osha aren't in the next episode, I'm going to assume she ate him and headed south as planned.

Rickon has only had about two lines in the entire series. He's basically an extra. I don't think he and Osha are important enough for us to be following their adventures, except when they meet and interact with the main characters (which may not happen again until Season 5 or 6 or 7). Same thing with the Brotherhood Without Banners. We presumably won't be seeing them again until they cross paths with other characters, whenever that might be.

 

[Brendan Moody]

I'm told it's mentioned in one of the later books that a group of rangers either killed or captured the mutineers. It was apparently an offhand reference. (I don't know which book or chapter, this is just what I was told, as I don't remember.)

The mutineers are dead in the books, but they're not killed by rangers, exactly.

Spoiler: a character from the books who hasn't appeared, and may never appear, onscreen

They're killed by Coldhands, a living corpse who was once a man of the Night's Watch and who, in the books, joins Bran and the Reeds once they pass beyond the Wall. The mutineers were tracking Bran's party, presumably with malicious intent, which is probably where the showrunners got the idea for this storyline.

 

[bbjeg]

It seems their isn't anything Baelish won't do for power, but his actions are more calculated than evil. Lucky Lysa. His darkest deed was assisting in Joffrey's murder so his fine in my book.

He also betrayed Ned and talked Lysa--a clearly mentally-unstable woman--into poisoning her husband. So he's complicit in at least two murders, three if you count what happened to Ned. Yeah, nobody's upset that Joff died, but from what we've been told of Jon Arryn, the old Hand wasn't a bad guy.

So he's good at making other people do wrong. To me, he's the type that puts himself in a position where he's not directly at fault.

Also, If Rickon and Osha aren't in the next episode, I'm going to assume she ate him and headed south as planned.

Rickon has only had about two lines in the entire series. He's basically an extra. I don't think he and Osha are important enough for us to be following their adventures, except when they meet and interact with the main characters (which may not happen again until Season 5 or 6 or 7). Same thing with the Brotherhood Without Banners. We presumably won't be seeing them again until they cross paths with other characters, whenever that might be.

But what's taking Osha and Rickon so long to get to Castle Black? After they left that tower, Sam spent the night there with Bran, escorted his group past the wall, made it to the Castle staying for a couple weeks, traveled south to a nearby town and back, yet I'm supposed to believe they are still on their way?

 

[Ryan8bit]

But what's taking Osha and Rickon so long to get to Castle Black?

I don't think that's where they were going.

 

[Ethros]

Yeah looking at the TV show wiki they were off going to Jon Umber

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Rickon_Stark

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Greatjon_Umber

 

[bbjeg]

Oh yeah, I do vaguely recall Osha saying something about Castle Black's possibility of already being overrun.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I'm told it's mentioned in one of the later books that a group of rangers either killed or captured the mutineers. It was apparently an offhand reference. (I don't know which book or chapter, this is just what I was told, as I don't remember.)

The mutineers are dead in the books, but they're not killed by rangers, exactly.

Spoiler: a character from the books who hasn't appeared, and may never appear, onscreen

They're killed by Coldhands, a living corpse who was once a man of the Night's Watch and who, in the books, joins Bran and the Reeds once they pass beyond the Wall. The mutineers were tracking Bran's party, presumably with malicious intent, which is probably where the showrunners got the idea for this storyline.

Ah, thank you! I should have guessed I'd gotten some of the details wrong.

In any case, I'm fine with the show's version.

 

[Klaus]

New motto:

“The Lannisters are rarely late with their quarterly interest payments”

 

[DarthTom]

New motto:

“The Lannisters are rarely late with their quarterly interest payments”

Fair show. A little slow at times. I think it's fascinating that the writers are attempting to make Cersi and Jamie likeable one week and evil individuals the next. Very good writing and more real life then most tv shows or even films can create.

It was Cersi's turn this episode with the moving scene about how she misses her daughter.

Did I get the dialogue correct that Dany is putting her conquest of Kingslanding on hold until she can clean up her own house?

 

[Saul]

Did I get the dialogue correct that Dany is putting her conquest of Kingslanding on hold until she can clean up her own house?

Sounds like it. Gods damn it.

 

[Ryan8bit]

I think it's fascinating that the writers are attempting to make Cersi and Jamie likeable one week and evil individuals the next. Very good writing and more real life then most tv shows or even films can create.

It was Cersi's turn this episode with the moving scene about how she misses her daughter.

I dunno, I still don't trust her. I think she's one of those people that if she wants something, that's the only time she's nice to people. I feel like she's scheming.

 

[Garak]

She's totally scheming. She wants Tyrion's head on a stick and tried to manipulate 2 of the 3 judges presiding over his trial.

Such a sexy schemer though. She knows what she wants and she knows how to get it, with kindness and/or ruthlessness.

 

[Ayelbourne]

She's totally scheming. She wants Tyrion's head on a stick and tried to manipulate 2 of the 3 judges presiding over his trial.

Make that 3. She's actively supporting the marriage of Marg and Tommen because she wants to get on Mace Tyrell's good side.