Bryan Singer sex abuse allegations

[Marc]

Anyone know if the complainant took the matter to cops?

If the actions of Singer veer into the category of sexual assault (for example Singer got the young man drunk/stoned in order to take advantage of him) then it should be prosecuted as a criminal act with the appropriate punishment.

When you run straight to the civil courts demanding compensation it just before the statue of limitations on such actions runs out it comes across as suspected. The plantiff had better make sure he's got a water tight case because I don't think Singer is going to take this lightly because the potential loss of income for him is too great.

Egan and his mother filed and won a lawsuit in 2000 against sex ring-leader Marc Collins-Rector who was supposed to pay up several million dollars, he fled the country and they got nothing. Singer was never mentioned in the lawsuit.

To my mind it that's adding to the fishy smell and sounds like they are trying for a second bite of the cherry after the first one left them high and dry even though they had one.

If Singer was a member of ring as claimed, it would have made sense to go after after as many of them as possible where a case could be made i.e if Singer was in on it as claimed then he should have been named in the first lawsuit.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"Smallville: Traveler (#7.14)" (2008)

Lex Luthor: What secret was so important that you and your friends built a group around it?
Lionel Luthor: Oh, think about it, Lex. Skull & Bones, Scroll & Key, the Delphic. The rich have secret societies. The others have poker nights.

 

[JarodRussell]

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni57107090/?ref_=hm_nw_tp_t1

There's the answer to "Why now?"

 

[Casas9425]

Also if this is supposed to be a huge sex ring then where the hell are the other victims? Why has no one come out and accused these 4 guys other than Egan? The whole thing doesn't add up.

 

[Amaris]

I'm not defending Singer, as he may be innocent, he may be guilty, it's too soon to know, but this shit:

So, the X-men movies aren't just metaphors for accepting homosexuality, but for the less-innocuous idea of older gay men grooming teenagers to join their secret group (kind of casts a new angle over "Apt Pupil" as well)?

Needs to fuck right the fuck off, and shame on you for even suggesting it.

Yep, because NAMBLA is a complete figment of someone's imagination...and sexual predators (gay or straight) never, ever, groom their victims....

I would also point out I followed that observation (and one other) by stating "But, seriously..."

You're moving the goal posts. Your statement was bigoted, ignorant, and painted millions of law abiding gay people as pedophiles, or potential pedophiles, out to groom children. I don't appreciate being called a pedophile, and it's not a joke. Your post is disgusting.

 

[Mister Fandango]

Also if this is supposed to be a huge sex ring then where the hell are the other victims? Why has no one come out and accused these 4 guys other than Egan? The whole thing doesn't add up.

Because people like you and most of the others in this thread make people terrified of speaking of out.

 

[scotpens]

Yep, because NAMBLA is a complete figment of someone's imagination...and sexual predators (gay or straight) never, ever, groom their victims....

NAMBLA is believed to have just over 1000 members nationwide. It has no physical headquarters, organizational structure or regular meetings. Its philosophy has been repudiated by all mainstream gay advocacy groups. Organized Star Trek fandom has more power and influence than NAMBLA.

 

[Amaris]

Also if this is supposed to be a huge sex ring then where the hell are the other victims? Why has no one come out and accused these 4 guys other than Egan? The whole thing doesn't add up.

Because people like you and most of the others in this thread make people terrified of speaking of out.

What are you talking about?

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Because people like you and most of the others in this thread make people terrified of speaking of out.

Freedom of speech does not mean immunity from criticism.

 

[scotpens]

To my mind it that's adding to the fishy smell and sounds like they are trying for a second bite of the cherry after the first one left them high and dry even though they had one.

Block that metaphor!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Fish? Somebody mention fish?

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Took the bait, didntchya?

 

[Sindatur]

Let's make sure we keep out of TNZ territory here folks. Fine to discuss it but not fine to duke it out over who's the bigot.

Is that possible?

The OP has a well-known anti-gay bias. And in the first post of this thread he somehow managed to conflate a Director being accused of sexual intercourse with a 17 year old with introducing a hidden agenda into a movie that makes it seem likes it's "Ok to recruit young straight kids into a gay lifestyle and convert them." That's nonsense, and it *is* an argument used only by bigots.

There was a point where it was ok to discuss ethnic minorities as being less than the white normal. That wasn't bigotry, it was the way of the world. Thankfully, we've moved beyond that.

Should we really only be able to discuss this in a hidden forum, when what he posts in the public fora is derogatory and discriminatory?

Eh...even if you were to buy into The Mutant thing as being a Gay Metaphor, and then buy into the "secret message" the movie is sending about Recruiting young men, the young men are all Mutants, they aren't being turned into Mutants, so, the Metaphor doesn't work for trying to recruit young Straight men into Teh Gayz. So, IMHO, it does indeed read as a simple attack

 

[Mister Fandango]

Because people like you and most of the others in this thread make people terrified of speaking of out.

Freedom of speech does not mean immunity from criticism.

The point is that assholes have no problem jumping all over the accusers while steadfastily defending the accused to the ends of the earth. Just look at this thread as a perfect example. Accusers of sexual crimes are, apparently, guilty until proven innocent, and treated like filthy scumbags by all. And the same assholes then wonder why -- why oh why -- more people don't come out to back them up. It's a complete mystery!

 

[bigdaddy]

It's also a circle of doom.

The more people lie about getting raped / molested the less likely that the ones who actually are will speak out because others won't believe them. How about we wait until all the info is given in a court of law.

But some people here seem to jump on the idea that all gay men are child rapists even when all the info, year after year, shows that the vast majority are straight people and are related to the victim. But also, if Bryan Singer was straight and was accused of molesting a girl would this topic have even been started? And I'm certain the answer is no.

 

[Amaris]

Because people like you and most of the others in this thread make people terrified of speaking of out.

Freedom of speech does not mean immunity from criticism.

The point is that assholes have no problem jumping all over the accusers while steadfastily defending the accused to the ends of the earth. Just look at this thread as a perfect example. Accusers of sexual crimes are, apparently, guilty until proven innocent, and treated like filthy scumbags by all. And the same assholes then wonder why -- why oh why -- more people don't come out to back them up. It's a complete mystery!

So what you're saying is that you're upset that people are siding with someone without giving fair consideration to the other party.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The accuser waited 15 years, until a completely different movie producer wanted to make a movie about his story.

It's fishy.

I'm assuming that this rape happened in California?

Cal. Penal Code § 801.1
(a) For the following offenses, if the victim was under 18 at the time of commission of the offense, any time before victim’s 28th birthday:

• Rape (§ 261)
• Sodomy (§ 286)
• Lewd or lascivious acts involving children (§ 288)
• Continuous sexual abuse of a child (§ 288.5)
  • Oral copulation (§ 288a)
• Forcible acts of sexual penetration (§ 289)

(b) For the following offenses, within 10 years after commission of the offense:

• • Rape (§ 261)
  • Spousal rape (§ 262)
  • Rape or penetration of genital or anal openings by foreign object (§ 264.1)
  • Unlawful sexual intercourse (§ 266c)
  • Aggravated sexual assault of child (§ 269)
  • Incest (§ 285)
  • Sodomy (§ 286)
  • Lewd or lascivious acts involving children (§ 288)
  • Continuous sexual abuse of child (§ 288.5)
  • Oral copulation (§ 288a)
  • Sexual acts with child 10 or younger (§ 288.7)
  • Forcible acts of sexual penetration (§ 289)

http://rainn.org/public-policy/legal-resources/california/statutes-of-limitations

 

[Greylock Crescent]

The point is that assholes have no problem jumping all over the accusers while steadfastily defending the accused to the ends of the earth. Just look at this thread as a perfect example. Accusers of sexual crimes are, apparently, guilty until proven innocent, and treated like filthy scumbags by all. And the same assholes then wonder why -- why oh why -- more people don't come out to back them up. It's a complete mystery!

Methinks you're not properly representing the majority of statements in this thread. Who has claimed that the accuser is "guilty until proven innocent"? Typically, people have raised questions about the veracity of the accuser's claims, while still acknowledging that if abuse did occur, it ought to be prosecuted.

The majority of objections that I have seen have more to do with the bigoted conflation of an alleged sex crime with the notion that, somehow, there's a "gay agenda" that is preposterously tied into NAMBLA. Those ignorant posts are certainly worthy of every challenge, criticism, and label they receive.

But if you think there are posts that are claiming the accuser is "guilty until proven innocent" then, by all means, quote those posts and criticize them. That is, after all, your prerogative.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Because people like you and most of the others in this thread make people terrified of speaking of out.

Freedom of speech does not mean immunity from criticism.

The point is that assholes have no problem jumping all over the accusers while steadfastily defending the accused to the ends of the earth. Just look at this thread as a perfect example. Accusers of sexual crimes are, apparently, guilty until proven innocent, and treated like filthy scumbags by all. And the same assholes then wonder why -- why oh why -- more people don't come out to back them up. It's a complete mystery!

I personally would love to see some quotes from the "assholes" referenced in this post. Reviewing the thread, I have not seen any such persons.

 

[Sindatur]

Because people like you and most of the others in this thread make people terrified of speaking of out.

Freedom of speech does not mean immunity from criticism.

The point is that assholes have no problem jumping all over the accusers while steadfastily defending the accused to the ends of the earth. Just look at this thread as a perfect example. Accusers of sexual crimes are, apparently, guilty until proven innocent, and treated like filthy scumbags by all. And the same assholes then wonder why -- why oh why -- more people don't come out to back them up. It's a complete mystery!

What is so accusatory about asking why the accuser would continue traveling from State to State following this group around after the first supposed Rape? It's a legitimate question, and I can't think of an answer that makes sense, unless it either didn't happen, or he enjoyed what was happening.

What is so accusatory about questioning the use of the word Pedophile. Pedophile is a highly charged word, and speaks specifically about Pre-pubescent children, not 15 - 17 year olds.

What is so wrong and accusatory about asking for an explanation of why XMen is being accused of promoting indoctrinating young straight men into being Gay, when so many other stories are about talented/gifted Teens being sent to a school where they can be accepted and have their gifts honed? Stories such as Harry Potter or even Star Wars? Hell, Star Wars is way closer to the analogy with NAMBLA and Older Men indoctrinating young boys. Anakin was what 6 or 8 years old when they found him, and Yoda complained he was getting too old? Or How about Ender's Game, which was written by a very Anti-Gay man, who actually spends/spent his own money on a Crusade against Gays?